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And they even did it in bubbly animation so you're more apt to actually look at it"

What I'd like to find is a clear cut number of iraqi deaths soldiers and civilians/ number of american deaths soldiers and civilians under George the first and continuing through Clinton's time in office and then as up to date as can be with the current body count.

I don't know a lot of people who realize the the bombing runs on iraq continued through Clinton's presidency. They didn't talk about it after awhile on the news at all unless there was an american death involved (didn't happen often. We've got death from above pretty down pat), so most people just assume that "dessert storm" ended when Bush left office, and this war on Iraq from GW is a second, new war.

Of course, most Americans are gleefully watching that horrible beheading tape and pointing to it as evidence that these people all deserve to just die... so the average american isn't someone I really care too much about, expect when it comes to their voting power.

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mjfgates
May. 14th, 2004 01:34 am (UTC)
You know, the Iraqi casualties in particular it'd be impossible to get a real number, 'cos half the sources out there would list the half-to-two-million Innocent Iraqi Children Harmed By Sanctions, and the other half would probably list the Innocent Kurd Children Harmed By Saddam.
maddening
May. 14th, 2004 08:46 am (UTC)
Well that is very true. Also, do you include the doubling of instances of lymphatic cancer due to the bombardment (and lack of retrieval) of depleted uranium shells, and the "dud" cluster bombs that explode after the kids start playing with them becuase they're all bright fucking yellow and look like toys?

What I've seen of the Iraqi death count seems to include those killed by the police force in Iraq (the standing force, not the allied forces there now), during protests and those killed by trampling at protests and those killed in car and suicide bombings perpetrated by the Iraqis in the hopes of taking out some Americans.

While all those things are definitely side effects of the war, I don't think they should be included in an official death count, but how the hell do you draw the line? And given the level of "accurate" reporting on both sides of the war since it began, how the hell can you tell what's what in the first place?

mjfgates
May. 14th, 2004 03:35 pm (UTC)
Indeed. And, thinking about it, I'm not sure that the number even matters, really. The interesting questions are all things like "are more Iraqis getting killed now that the US is occupying them than if we'd left Saddam alone?" and "would more people have been alive if they hadn't been doing the whole 'no fly zone' thing for the past ten years?" and stuff like that, and all you'd really need for those are relative numbers, not absolute, accurate ones. Me, I think there's probably fewer Iraqis getting killed now, and probably fewer were getting killed after the no fly zones got set up.
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