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I realized that this was posted in a comment after I read it on someone else's journal (if you want a good liberal-ish rundown of stuff going on with the election you can check out insomnia), but that I should post this here too.

This was not the first moment of "what the fuck is that psychotic asshole thinking", but one of the more damaging... Bush Flips Out

I think that standing in front of a bunch of undecided voters and making statements like "John Kerry was voted the most liberal senator... that's saying a lot with that group... that takes hard work" and then making comments about how "liberals think" and that's "what liberals do" was probably one of the worst things he did to himself all night.
Aside from never answering a question, aside from just *lying* through his teeth, aside from creative numbers juggling, aside from all of that.. I think that standing in front of all of the undecided voters in the world and saying derisive things about half of them was the biggest shot in the foot he could have given himself.
He was SO angry the whole debate. It showed. And it also showed that the idea of him just being mad and charging off to war needlessly isn't exactly hard to picture.

Oh, also, in case you haven't seen this: Senator Tim Ryan from Ohio had no compunction about just SAYING why young people are scared of the possibility of a draft (shamelessly stolen from punkalicia)

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starchy
Oct. 9th, 2004 12:03 pm (UTC)
Poor guy just needed his hump back.
wendigo
Oct. 9th, 2004 09:29 pm (UTC)
What gets me is the body language. It's as if he's jumping off a bar stool, longneck in hand, ready to do a little shit-stompin'. I think we should add "no physical intimidation of the moderator" to the list of rules.
mjfgates
Oct. 10th, 2004 01:40 am (UTC)
Nah, that should be explicitly allowed. Is young Dubya the sort to use his beer bottle as a club, or does he break it and grind the jagged end into the moderator's face? Important question.
maddening
Oct. 10th, 2004 06:49 am (UTC)
I would love to know which of the candidates chose what rules. In all the debate footage I've seen of Bush, he's at his strongest when he isn't being directly contronted on anything, so it would make sense that he wouldn't want any backtalk.

Also, he wasn't quite as "pissed teen" this time, but you're right about the bar stool thing. It's like he aged a few from about 16 to 22 between the debates.

Nixon looked bad becuase he lacked polish and he sweated a lot... looked bad in the closeups. Bush looks bad becuase he lacks the ability to stay coherent for 90 minutes ("we have battling green eyeshades") and can't keep the anger out of his demeanor.

Zealots are a very dangerous group, whether they're insisting you take a Chick track or they're just convinced that they're fighting the right war.
mjfgates
Oct. 10th, 2004 07:11 pm (UTC)
"Dangerous." I like that word... it's so neutral, in a way.
maddening
Oct. 11th, 2004 06:01 am (UTC)
You just sit there and come up with convoluted ways of saying things... don't you?
How is Dangerous a neutral word?

It's also probably on one or more of the "word lists" this year. Each of the parties creates and disseminates a word list each year that includes buzz words to use about their own parties and words to use about the opposition.
It's a lot of marketty bullshit... but marketty bullshit works on people, ya know.

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