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Regarding this post and all the subsequent comments:

I'm anti-gun. I'm anti-Florida. I'm anti-Jeb Bush. I'm anti-pretty much any real world scenario where we encourage the "I need a gun to survive" mentality. If that makes me lop sided and someone who "believed the media hype" then so be it.

I liked shooting guns at the range. I will never like guns outside of that scenario. I have my reasons and all of them are real world "yeah, I was there" sort of reasons that don't involve whatever "media hype" supposedly goes around about the use of guns.

It's cool that people don't have to be opened up to prosecution from the bad guy's family if they accidentally kill someone while defending their own life. But to pretend that this doesn't present the potential for future bad laws built off of this one is kidding yourself both about our current leader ship and the american-right's increasingly bellicose nature.

Also, it's FLORIDA. Not exactly a bastion of well people making good decisions. Florida is a cess pit of the stupid and the inbred. It's pretty to visit if you never ever talk to a local. But that's about it.

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subbes
Apr. 13th, 2005 02:11 pm (UTC)
My enthusiasm for moving there grows and grows.
maddening
Apr. 13th, 2005 02:20 pm (UTC)
hey, at least you aren't moving to a beach town in Florida. That's something you NEVER want to do.

subbes
Apr. 13th, 2005 02:24 pm (UTC)
All the sand, everywhere.
maddening
Apr. 13th, 2005 03:08 pm (UTC)
heh, well that. And beach locals (not good, trust me). And really depressed economies unless you move there already independently wealthy. And tourists. And lots and lots of 14 year olds getting pregnant out of boredom.
kaeren
Apr. 13th, 2005 11:34 pm (UTC)
my bf and bff (heh) go shooting all the time, but they HATE the range. why? its expensive (you must buy their ammo), and I guess its very regulated about what type of shots you can take (ie none at the head) and what type of targets you can use (ie nothing resembling a person) and even the stance you may practise shooting in (ie do not go down on one knee). Also, no shooting fastly. So sure, safety first, please no one get hurt please, but I guess in all fairness, the bf+bff won me over in "the range sucks" argument.

so they'd drive an hour plus to the mountains or countryside and find well-known areas where people would practise with a little more freedom in the woods, etc. the last time they did this however, some schmuck who was a weapons inspector himself, on vacation, called the local police on them for having automatic weapons (no they DO NOT, and its appalling an inspector would make such a mistake) and they were pulled out of my car shortly thereafter at gunpoint and detained for quite a while until every little thing was searched through. they each individually ended up with $1000+ littering tickets for leaving some broken beer bottles up in the forest, which trav returned and cleaned thoroughly the next day (and will now have to contest in court).

Not so related to subbes or your posts but I just wanted to toss in another pov and say hi i love you
maddening
Apr. 13th, 2005 11:44 pm (UTC)
hehe.. I've been to a range all of once and it was in Tacoma. They were *scary* people. All super gun enthusiast with the carry permits. Sooo many people walking around with guns on their hip. We used people shaped targets and the only regulation was uh... don't shoot someone else's target. Heh.

I am actually a really good shot, but I doubt I would want to targt practice in general. Guns make me queasy becuase I know what they get used for, basically. They're fun to play with, but they aren't really toys, so that keeps me from playing with them.

I've known people who go out into the wilderness to shoot. Hell, Hunter Thompson moved to Aspen mostly so he could shoot from his porch with no problems. I understand the motivation there, I just have issues with people in like.. DC... walking around with guns on the street to protect themselves. Especially the concept of dumb white people walking through southeast relying on their deadly weapon to protect them from all the black people. I don't think we as a society are wise enough to have that kind of power.

But then, I really don't have faith in people. Especially white people. If uh .. that makes any sense.
kaeren
Apr. 14th, 2005 02:18 am (UTC)
I am pretty anti-gun, cuz I can't get over the mentality that if you have one around, the chances it will be used are so high. And I think if you wanna mortally wound someone, you should have to be right in they face, using a knife, so you KNOW what you're doin. So theres that.

But the bf is son of a sheriff (a dearly departed one, at that) so he's inherited some of his guns and who the hell am i to be all moralistic when it comes to something like THAT. It also makes him obsessively safe, even in the creepiest situation we've been in, nothing ever got loaded, even.

Now the bff is a little more of a nut. They both got their CCW (carry conceal) just this month :P He doesnt like hurting anyone per se but the action of firing off rounds soothes him with its power (???)

white people - completely understood... been to debunkingwhite?? fave community in terms of food for thought.
maddening
Apr. 14th, 2005 11:40 am (UTC)
well, the son of a sheriff thing is enough (but now I have son of a preacher man stuck in my head). I grew up with guns in the house but all I ever remember actually seeing my dad *use* a gun for was an air pistol he would take out to the canal and shoot Musk Rats with.

Very very safe = great. People who actually take the time to learn about guns are usually the type of people who want ALL gun owners to be... but in a chunk of my experience, they aren't. very unfortunately.
mjfgates
Apr. 14th, 2005 06:19 am (UTC)
There's only one range in Tacoma, so far as I know... they've cleaned up their act a lot, since the DC snipings. It's a nice place now. As a matter of fact, we're likely to buy guns there from now on, since a clerk at the one gun shop left in Bremerton SWEPT us with a pistol last week. (We were looking for a small auto pistol to teach the twelve-year-old with.) It was kind of interesting-- I dodged right, Merlin dropped, Gordon was about halfway to breaking the guy's arm when he stopped himself.

Going out to shoot... not these days. There just isn't anywhere in the continental US that you can do that, anymore. Even places like the northern Colorado plains have too damn' many people in them... hell, the embankment I used to use as a backstop for plinking with a .22 is part of a subdivision now. Town's actually growing , hey, perilously close to the old missile silos. I wonder if they'll finally seal those things off?

If you really want to protect yourself against rapists, learn to do a good strong throat punch.
maddening
Apr. 14th, 2005 11:47 am (UTC)
Well the only time I was there before was pre-sniping. It wasn't a bad place, it just didn't have any problem with you shooting however you wanted and the people were creepy.

Though honestly, I find people in bait and tackle shops just as creepy. Something about "I'm in the business of killing things or helping others kill things more effectively and efficiently" wigs me out.

I have to force myself to just say, okay, to each his own, it's not my thing, but whatever on just about all of the gun talk stuff. Usually "gun people" (people into guns, people who talk about guns, who make guns a big family thing, etc. etc) are really hard for me not to start yelling about. I think that I have been remarkably restrained on this.


mjfgates
Apr. 15th, 2005 05:30 am (UTC)
I think it's the "yeah, we're stupid and we're PROUD of it" vibe. There's an uncomfortable lot of it in the shipyard where I work, especially when you consider that a lot of those guys are trained to work with nuclear materials...
darksomnabule
Apr. 20th, 2005 02:59 pm (UTC)
Florida truly is the vortex leading to Hell. Listen to this wise woman and STAY AWAY.
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