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I don't know why I'm bothering to try a step into semi geekhood.
The vast vast majority of geeks I've met are elitist shitheads who say they want everyone to wake up and learn a few things, but .. well... wouldn't that remove your ability to feel superior?
I've met some incredible geeks.
People who will answer my questions, give me suggestions, and never require obsequious bowings down to their superiority. But they're in the minority. Gates is awesome, even though I don't understand a good chunk of what comes out of his mouth. Mark is a cool guy, even though I don't ask him geek questions because, well, his knowledge would squish me under incomprehensible acronyms and perl talk. Dave is a pure out and out perl guy... so if I ever go in that direction, I'll know who to ask, because he's kind, patient, and will explain it until I get it. Ken.. I even feel comfy asking Ken questions... Simon, Rhett, Alicia... all of these people are great.
Chad has been the best so far. He's the most accesible and he loves me to pieces so he's even more willing to help than my other friends.
But that's about the extent of my list of the good ones.
I'm very dissapointed in the general geek community. I'm annoyed at how they feel not only privelaged, but OBLIGATED to run around calling everyone running anything MS a troglodyte moron who doesn't deserve to be amoungst the common population.
Why was Jon Katz flamed so badly when he started writing for slahdot? Because he wasn't 'one of them.'
I feel like I have to prove myself to everyone around me all the time in regard to the geek thing. If I can't already prove that I know things, they aren't willing to teach me. And I can't know things, unless I'm taught. Self taught or otherwise.

I dunno.

The thing is, my other bent is art.
And artists are just as snobbish and elitist in the majority.

I need to see that there are more level headed geeks before I commit.
Just like I needed to find level headed artists before I could love them as a group.

And all those geek girl sites are just pats on the back for chicks who have already made it. Just another sort of elitism.

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luvrhino
Dec. 2nd, 2001 01:14 pm (UTC)
I think that you'll find that in person, most geeks are, in fact, quite helpful...especially if you don't directly threaten your job. At my work, there's a whole bunch of shit that i simply don't know, since, unlike some of my co-workers, most of my interests are outside the computer world. However, everyone is extremely helpful whenever i, or anybody else, has a question. Similarly, during college geeks generally helped out other geeks even though said help would hurt their grade because of the grading curve.

On the internet, however, many geeks feel the need to assert themselves as Alpha Geek. They're not going to meet any of their targets in real life, so they have little fear of reprisal in claiming all geek knowledge as their own, urinating all over everything. Likewise, you might want to stay away from IT and phone-support type people because they're bitter from dealing with complete morons all day. Again, they have little fear in treating their helpee like shit, since they probably won't see or hear from him again.

IOW, if you choose to pursue semi-geekhood professionally, i wouldn't worry about most of the geeks being elitist shitheads.

What were you thinking about doing? Some sort of graphic design so you could optimally combine your artistic and budding geek skills?

-ken, quite willing to answer questions...especially if the answer involves monkeys
maddening
Dec. 2nd, 2001 05:19 pm (UTC)
Leave it to Ken to give a thorough answer..

And yes, Ideally some sort of graphic design.
mjfgates
Dec. 2nd, 2001 01:26 pm (UTC)
Geeks are elitist for good reason; it's because the truth matters, and some of the stuff we get into is complicated enough that frequently it's hard to figure out what the truth is, so hard that most people get it wrong. Knowing who's going to be able to pull out a useful solution in a week, and who's going to thrash around for months, is important.

That's why Katz gets flamed. He sounds logical, but when you look closely at things he's written, he nearly always gets some detail wrong. Then the whole "for want of a nail" thing goes on, and ... hey, Katz, you're fucked in the head, here! AGAIN!

All that said, a lot of geeks are too quick to decide that somebody is unworthy somehow, and then start ignoring them completely. Steve Case calls it "flipping the bozo bit" in, gah, I don't remember which of his books. Anyway, it's a bad idea-- almost *everybody* screws up here and there, the right reaction to seeing somebody make a mistake in some complicated design is to point it out and move on, not to assume that the designer a total idiot. Katz needs an editor, not a crowd of people throwing rocks.
maddening
Dec. 2nd, 2001 05:25 pm (UTC)
I'm not talking about in and amoungst other geeks. I understand those bits.
It's got a lot to do with the OS war I witnessed on my friends list this week. I've seen that attitude a lot. A LOT. So, someone wants to use an OS that you think is crap. So you're going to run around and call them every permutation of every name you can conceieve of... for... what purpose? I don't see it changing their minds. I see it making them think "well, geeks are shitheads."
Doesn't matter how right you are. The more outraged and superior you get with people, the less they'll listen. Being insulted does not equal being enlightened.
And more and more I see geeks driving the wedge between who they are and who everyone else is. That's fine. I agree, to a large extent, that they're different animals. But snapping and snarling just makes the majority build better cages.

mjfgates
Dec. 2nd, 2001 08:43 pm (UTC)
Ohhhh, that. Yep. Although OS flamewars are more of an "immature" thing than a "geek" thing-- hell, non-geeks have their own sets of stupid arguments about equally stupid stuff like which WWF wrestler is going to kick whose ass this weekend. hmmm... most geeks would say that's even MORE stupid, because you *know* that crap is all scripted... but then, isn't the OS stuff too, really? Heh. I like that concept-- os wars == WWF wars...
frobisher
Dec. 2nd, 2001 10:25 pm (UTC)
I think those people just have difficulties seeing the difference between the operating system and someone who uses the operating system.

Nevertheless, I still love using "Microsoft Works" as an example of an oxymoron. *grin*
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