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Dec. 21st, 2001

If ever a post made me cringe... this is it.
"shameless convenience" is what gets me. "inflict pain on an innocent living nonperson"

I never really thought about it in terms of rights.
I've always just thought about it as what I needed to do.
19, unstable as all hell, the father a 25 year old, bi polar, infantile, mentally deficient throwback who refused to take his meds, living at home with his patetnly insane, randomly undressing mother who took 3/4 of his SSI disability money (his only source of income) to pay off the phone company and the power company who were constantly shutting off services due to non payment.

"convenience" isn't the word that comes to mind.
Not nearly.

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subbes
Dec. 20th, 2001 10:01 pm (UTC)
a 25 year old, bi polar, infantile, mentally deficient throwback

Well, he sounds sexy as hell, when you put it like that. I'm presuming this is hindsight?
maddening
Dec. 20th, 2001 10:38 pm (UTC)
nope. I knew it at the time too.
That's why I made clear that I, myself, was horribly unstable. I'd already been with him for 2 years and it only took a month of knowing him before I hated him.
It's about needing to be needed.
ANd if anyone ever needed me...
subbes
Dec. 20th, 2001 10:43 pm (UTC)
Hm. We all make mistakes, and you are allowed one write-off.
blackmanxy
Dec. 21st, 2001 12:43 am (UTC)
Only one?

Oh well, I'm glad I got my share of pain, embarrassment, and shame out of that first relationship then. I mean, if I can't do it twice and all.
subbes
Dec. 21st, 2001 06:52 am (UTC)
Well, it's assumed that you learn from the first one.
maddening
Dec. 21st, 2001 10:04 am (UTC)
Just the one, huh?

I'm over my quota.
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luvrhino
Dec. 21st, 2001 07:32 am (UTC)
I think that if you talk to more women who have had abortions, you'll find that for many their abortion was for much more complicated reasons than simply "shameless convenience."

But sure, there are many abortions are done for the shamelessly convenient reason that the woman doesn't want to drop out of high school or college in order to raise a child. Many abortions are because a woman simply doesn't want to be pregnant. Still, i don't see why these women should feel any shame for not bringing yet another unwanted child into this world.

-ken, thinks Holly must be really bored if she's inviting abortion debates to her journal
maddening
Dec. 21st, 2001 10:12 am (UTC)
I wasn't really inviting a debate. If I'd spewed all sorts of names or expressed HURT AND OUTRAGE over the opinion or something like that, that would be inviting a debate.
As it was, I was just talking...this is.. uh.. this is sort of the place I do that when I'm not posting lyrics.
::nods::
chroniccolonic
Dec. 21st, 2001 01:56 pm (UTC)
everyone wants to know what I think, of course
I used to be pro-life, but after some thinking and some debate with my Father and others, I realized that a woman does have the choice to do what she will to her own body and what she has made. I realized that if I continue to advocate my belief in legalization of marijuana (among other things) that I can't possibly advocate pro-life without being somewhat a hypocrite. A human being should be allowed to do what they want with their own bodies, whether it be undergoing surgery to add a third breast or cutting their scrotum open to get to the chewy center or inhaling fatal amounts of opium. Of course some pro-lifers will say that the unborn fetus has a right to live, but I read some arguments against that on that abortion thread that basically proved that the fetus isn't even alive or something. So yeah.

I still think abortion is immoral...after all, it's killing an unborn and I can't see anyway around that being unethical, but I'm not saying that abortion is unjustified. I'm not saying that you can justify it either...in fact, little do I know when and what I'm saying. In fact, where am I? WHERE ARE MY PANTS?!?

I think what I'm saying is that abortion is one bitch of a topic on both sides of the coin...maybe both sides are right and both sides are wrong, and in the end women should be allowed to make that choice whether it be right or wrong or gravy-laden. I can't judge people for what they do and the decisions they make, and I'm sure anyone who has an abortion struggles with their own personal guilt or something to that effect, so farbeit for me or anybody to give them any shit about it. People who go out and bomb abortion clinics and murder abortion doctors are a bajillion times far more despicable than anyone who gets an abortion done, and those fuckers claim to be pro-life. That's so retarded I think I just now ate my own ass.

So, in closing, wear condoms you horny teenagers.
maddening
Dec. 21st, 2001 02:06 pm (UTC)
Re: everyone wants to know what I think, of course
good to know I'm less desipicable than a clinic bomber.
chroniccolonic
Dec. 21st, 2001 02:15 pm (UTC)
Re: everyone wants to know what I think, of course
I never said you were despicable. In fact, you're cuddly. Awww.
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