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Jan. 16th, 2002

Never realized we had so many lynch mob capable people left in this section of the world.

I don't know why it suprises me.
I know the effects of propaganda
I know the effects of the music and the imagery.
I know WHY the scent of blood makes everyone want more.

It still shocks me to see otherwise well reasoned people playing the "GIT A ROPE!" mentality.
Anytime I hear anyone ... and I do mean ANYONE say "he deserves to die" (or a derivative thereof) I have to wonder just how convinced of your own righteousness you have to be for things like that to make... sense.... to you.


makes me a lil sad, more than anything


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Jan. 16th, 2002 10:10 am (UTC)
i don't think the mob mentality will ever go away.

they were lynching black men not too many decades in the past, and they took pictures and had parties.

humans are ugly, dirty, nasty, gross and vile things. we're just animals that can no longer lick our own testicles.

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Jan. 16th, 2002 11:03 am (UTC)
my feelings are a common fallacy.

I know you didn't mean it that way.
I wasn't trying to win any points for logic or debateable content, just stating my feelings.

I don't think the death penalty is a deterrent.
I think it's retribution.
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Jan. 16th, 2002 01:38 pm (UTC)
heheh.. I wasn't referring to YOUR statements in the debate.
I was referring to the people who felt the need to answer a very simple question with torturous methods of death, how they deemed him unworthy of life, and how they hoped that the US would just fucking kill him now and have it done with.

As long as you don't DISPLAY lynch mob mentality, you aren't one of the ones I'm talking about.

Jan. 16th, 2002 01:33 pm (UTC)
Maybe "common fallacy" referred to the testicle-licking.
Jan. 16th, 2002 01:40 pm (UTC)
Yeah! I mean, who can't lick their own testicles???


Forget I said anything...
Jan. 16th, 2002 02:13 pm (UTC)
I dunno, but if we could we'd spend a lot less time online. *nod*
Jan. 16th, 2002 01:46 pm (UTC)
Value as a deterrent does not preclude it from being morally reprehensible. Murder has benefits for the murderer.

Personally, I still have not determined whether I consider capital punishment to be justfied or moral. In the interim, I side with the Quakers; I'd rather be wrong in sparing a life than in taking one.
Jan. 16th, 2002 01:45 pm (UTC)
Anytime I hear anyone ... and I do mean ANYONE say "he deserves to die" (or a derivative thereof) I have to wonder just how convinced of your own righteousness you have to be for things like that to make... sense.... to you.

You don't. You just have to have a different perspective on the value of an individual human life.
Jan. 16th, 2002 02:21 pm (UTC)
so some lives are worth more than others?
Is that intrinstic worth or earned worth?
Who decides?

Since everyone is trying to turn this into a damned debate, well sure then, let's debate.

Jan. 16th, 2002 02:43 pm (UTC)
Yep, some lives are worth more than others.

Intrinsic? Earned? No, not either, really... they're worth as much as I think they are. Entertain me, or perish in agony and terror!
Jan. 16th, 2002 03:48 pm (UTC)
Actually, I'm not interested in turning this into a debate. In fact, I've no intention of debating. I simply made an observation about motivations. Not even my own motivations, I might point out.

If you ask me, the average American cares less about an Afghan citizen's life than an American citizen's life. Or about a murder victim's life more than a murderer's. I don't think that has anything to do with righteousness, especially in the former example. I think it's all about feeling like some people's lives are worth less than others.
Jan. 16th, 2002 04:41 pm (UTC)
I'm very grouchy today.
Insomnia is kicking my ass.
I posted my feelings based on an observation of reactions in the Debate forum on LJ.
I dunno, seems like everyone felt free to kick in and tell me I was wrong. Normally, that doesn't bug me a bit... I'm just grouchy.

I didn't mean to imply that YOU were trying to start a debate. Sorry about that.

Well, okay... don't you have to be in a position of ... superiority .. in order to be able, with no problems, say that yes, this one deserves to live, and this one deserves to die?
I think there is an implied sense of the speaker knowing what is right and wrong and knowing who's lives have value and who's don't.
To me, that would point to superiority.

It may just be their repeated use of the word "deserve"...

I dunno.
Not really arguing with you here... thinking as I go.
Jan. 16th, 2002 06:18 pm (UTC)
Mmm... actually, that does make sense in some cases. However, I'm not sure it's always righteousness that makes people think they can judge the value of another's life. Simple misanthropy comes to mind.

Not that it matters, I suppose. I'm just thinking aloud too.
Jan. 16th, 2002 05:37 pm (UTC)
I'd think that a murder victim's life would automatically be worth less than a murderer's, on account of it being, ummmm, DISCOUNTED, as it were. BUY the life of this dead squirrel!...
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