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Who told these women they were Rubenesque?
Has that word now become just another way of saying BBW?
That isn't "rubenesque" dammit.

Grar... okay .. so just STRIKE FROM YOUR MIND me saying something about me being exactly rubenesque.

I'm like... 1/4 the size of those women.


Jan. 31st, 2002 09:59 am (UTC)
I may be putting myself at risk of sounding asinine and foolish (more than usual, even), but aren't you basically agreeing with absolutcalm's attitude here? That there is a level of obesity that is different from a health weight (body-mass index be damned), and that equivocation and defensiveness about that is silly?

People who are anywhere from a little overweight (and have been for awhile) to hugely overweight are sensitive about that because of the enormous taboo.
Having been quite large at a point in my life, when someone says "fat people" it takes quite a bit of mental re-arranging to *not* lump myself in there.

I AGREE that there is a level of obesity where you have to just STOP and LOSE WEIGHT for your health.

Like "Rubenesque". It didn't make them any less fat, it didn't even make them feel any less fat; it just made Rubenesque synonymous with fat.

And that's not what the word means.

The word didn't change reality; reality changed the word. But heaven forfend admitting that a 240-lb, 5'7" woman is any different (aesthetically or health-wise) than a 190-lb, 5'7" woman who works out.

I don't get what you're saying here..

For the record, I don't know that I've ever brought up the matter of a SO's weight. Not because it's taboo, but just because I don't care unless they do. I want them to be healthy, and I want them to be happy with themselves. If I like them well enough to date them in the first place, I don't see why that would change unless my perception of them changes (e.g., putting on 40 lbs in 6 months; insisting on rich, expensive, snacky foods; and refusing to do so much as go for a walk might indicate issues beyond the weight that makes them less attractive. Not that this has ever happened with me... *cough*

Bravo for you.
I wasn't aiming in this direction at all.
I was looking for photos of a rubenesque woman.
I found obese women.
page after page of them.

Jan. 31st, 2002 11:43 am (UTC)
Yeah, I miss Rubenesque, too. When I talked about how the word changed, I was complaining how people's insecurity and demand that they are no "worse" took a perfectly good, descriptive, and non-judgemental word and made it meaningless. Now, we have Kate Moss and everyone else is Rubenesque. 'Cause if a plain old fat lady calls herself Rubenesque (the only remotely complimentary way of referring to absence of anorexia), no one is allowed to correct her. That's the sort of mentality 'calm was complaining about.
Jan. 31st, 2002 02:03 pm (UTC)
okay.. then I have no issue with that at all.
I think that main problem with his post was the WAY he went about saying it. It just came off as an attack of all people not fitting into the 'skinny' category.

Another lost word... Zaftig...
I loved that word.
Now it's gone.
Jan. 31st, 2002 04:31 pm (UTC)
Not gone. There are just a lot of people lacking any idea of what it means.

Lots of people use words incorrectly. Doesn't make them right. Check out any discussion of the abuse of the word "hacker".

More to the point, this is just further support for my new legislation that just makes anyone I don't like illegal.


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