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Feb. 28th, 2002

http://www.cnn.com/2002/LAW/02/28/police.torture.overturn/index.html

iiiinteresting...
Apparently they just didn't have enough evidence to prosecute the guys who were convicted of sodomising someone with a broom handle.

weird.

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joham
Feb. 28th, 2002 10:58 am (UTC)
"Look at that NECK. those EARS.
He looks like Prince Charles on CRACK.
He looks like the end result of massive genetic manipulation to turn a chihuahua into a vague approximation of a human.
He looks like something from Chernobyl.

And as if that weren't enough, he's boring, anal retentive, and if his site is any judge, a little bit too into "pretty" things for the comfort of anyone around him who wants to keep their teeth.

He's got bodies under his floorboards, doesn't he?
He's Dennis Nilsen part 2.
Right?"

Yeah, thanks for that. :O)
What should I do? Have plastic surgery? I can't change how i look, but your well thought out comments about how I'm obviously a serial killer or something, even in jest, are a bit much perhaps. As you say, you don't know anything about me. Sure, I might be boring, but cut me a little slack. Alex harping on about my Catholic status is also a little rich, considering I haven't set foot in a church since I left school 4 years ago.
Dislike me, please do, but please don't go on about my ears and face. I've had enough of that already. I guess I should apologise for 'bothering her', but altering all those photos just narked me a bit. I think I'm entitled to a little come back on that. I'm not obsesed with her, just pissed. But then, this post *obviously* confirms my obsession with her, along with the one, perhaps two journal entries.

Never mind. you can delete this now - although it will no doubt end up in her journal as more proof of my twisted obsession.
I'm a normal bloke, if a little boring. I'm sorry things got all fucked up between us, but then, 6 of one, half a dozen of the other.

maddening
Feb. 28th, 2002 11:26 am (UTC)
Yeah, thanks for that. :O)

You're welcome!

What should I do? Have plastic surgery? I can't change how i look, but your well thought out comments about how I'm obviously a serial killer or something, even in jest, are a bit much perhaps.

Yes, it was a joke. A joke based more on your website than on anything having to do with your appearance.
She's talked about this crazy catholic Joe guy before.
And now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure I've seen your picture. I never realized that stalker joe was this very emaciated looking guy in the pic.

I had some fun with you. I was rude. I was scathing.
::shrug::
If she's made it utterly clear she wants nothing to do with you, why did you see the comment anyway? Why are you still reading her journal?
And why did you reply to something I said there in *my* journal? Banned you from commenting maybe? Or just attempting to drive home some point?


As you say, you don't know anything about me. Sure, I might be boring, but cut me a little slack. Alex harping on about my Catholic status is also a little rich, considering I haven't set foot in a church since I left school 4 years ago.

I don't really care about your church affiliation. You could be a satanist or satan worshipper (yes, there's a difference), a buddhist, a taoist, a damned hindu for all I care and yes, I'd still say that my impression of you is of someone who is boring.


Dislike me, please do, but please don't go on about my ears and face.

I have to have something invested in a person to actively dislike them. I certainly don't know you well enough to honestly dislike you. As I said, I know nothing about you.



I've had enough of that already.

Then you should know what a cheap and ultimately disregardable insult it is.
Just disregard it.


I guess I should apologise for 'bothering her', but altering all those photos just narked me a bit.

I honestly don't know anything about altered photos beyond what was mentioned today. Something about a pink floyd poster. And I have to assume that whatever that picture was she posted today was something having to do with you as well.



I think I'm entitled to a little come back on that. I'm not obsesed with her, just pissed. But then, this post *obviously* confirms my obsession with her, along with the one, perhaps two journal entries.


Again, I know nothing about it.
You could be entirely justified and she could be horribly out of line for all I know. I'm not really involved in the situation. I just perused your web page out of curiosity about who the hell she was talking about, and then asked why she was all wrapped up with you in the first place.
And yes, I made cheap jokes about your appearance.
::shrug::
That's the sum total of my knowledge or interest in the whole matter.

Never mind. you can delete this now

I don't delete entries or comments. That's a cowardly move.


- although it will no doubt end up in her journal as more proof of my twisted obsession.

I've been rather critical of Alex's sychophant parade in the past.
You wouldn't know that, so I can understand your assumption.
If she reads this, she reads this. If she doesn't, she doesn't. I'm certainly not going to run on over and post it for her friends list to scoff at. It's really not that interesting to me.


I'm a normal bloke, if a little boring. I'm sorry things got all fucked up between us, but then, 6 of one, half a dozen of the other.


mmmmkay.
Not knowing anything about this... I've really got no comment for that.

Still curious though as to why you decided you needed to respond to this in my journal....

maddening
Feb. 28th, 2002 11:30 am (UTC)
By the way, I did also say :
"Actually, don't know a thing about the guy. I just think he's funny looking and seems to take himself far too seriously for comfort."

If you're going to quote all of a post... quote *all* of the post.
(not that anything in those last two sentences makes everything before okay... just looking for some accuracy)
joham
Feb. 28th, 2002 11:48 am (UTC)
Yeah, I'm sorry I didn't quote it all, and thanks for your reply. I posted here because I didn't have an email to send it to.

I've read your comments, and I see your points. I did jump to conclusions a bit - that entry was pointed out to me by someone when alex took it off 'friends only' , since your comments were posted behind this barrier initially, I jumped to conclusions a bit too quickly. I'm glad you can see both sides (well, as much as it's possible to), and aren't just biased toward her.

I didn't post this in her journal; because she wants nothing to do with me, and I don't want to fuel the fire.
I apologise again for my snap conclusions.
For what it's worth, I take comments about my appearance personally, more from habit than anything. You just have to look at me to see how I go through life - bad jaw, huge ears, stange nose, scrawny neck. I've got it all. And I've had ribs broken because of it.
I have to take it personally, it helps me deal with it :O)

No hard feelings.
maddening
Feb. 28th, 2002 12:05 pm (UTC)
For what it's worth, I take comments about my appearance personally, more from habit than anything. You just have to look at me to see how I go through life - bad jaw, huge ears, stange nose, scrawny neck. I've got it all. And I've had ribs broken because of it.

The broken ribs bit is astounding to me.
See, having been a fat girl through a large chunk of my life, I was more likely to be humiliated than beaten up.
I've seen other English guys say things about the insane amount of hostility expressed toward anyone who doesn't fit into a particular category of attractiveness or normalcy.
That's actually rather bizarre a thing to happen in america once you get beyond school.
And you're much more likely to be called names and humiliated than you are to come actual physical harm.

See, I don't think much about throwing around insults on the basis of looks because I've long since learned to let all that roll right off. Being an ecclectic "weirdo" in thought and dress means you either have to get used to it or you go insane trying to combat everyone who feels the need to pick on you, look down on you, or the strangers online who see a picture and decide to be rude ::grin::

Funny that I made all those comments on a day when I post something about how I sometimes wish I were more likeable and more of an accepting, nice person. Heh. That's ripe for a round of introspection.

So, yeah... I don't tend to think about how it's going to impact the target too much simply because I know it wouldn't impact *me*. I forget that that just isn't so with most people.
*I* would be far more sensitive about things more intrinsic to who I am than just my looks.


No hard feelings.

None at all.


rakafkaven
Feb. 28th, 2002 01:38 pm (UTC)
Not that I have a clue what's going on here (or really want to), but I will say that the form ostracism takes depends on where you grow up. I was a short, scrawny little nerd in a hick town in North Dakota.

I'm still in the habit standing with my back to walls. People discovered in junior high that a sufficiently powerful shot to the kidneys would knock me down, and a particularly skillful hit resulted in hilarious convulsions. The subsequent bloody urine they didn't know about; probably a good thing.

My high school was three stories high. Once after school, several members of the football team decided me to carry me up, and then push me down. Each flight of stairs. Repeatedly. They quit on round four when I wasn't moving at the bottom, limbs splayed and breathing funny. It was acting more than injury, but I wanted the game to be done.

For the crime of talking to his girlfriend, one strapping young lad decided to dangle me over a stairwell with a nice 25' drop to concrete. His audience was properly appreciative; he went step by step from holding me by the neck the climax with both hands to balancing me with two fingers dug in on either side of my jaw.

The unpopular girls had it much worse. The other girls were much more creative in their tortures, physical and social. The boys... well, not so imaginative. But not so nice, either.
maddening
Feb. 28th, 2002 02:34 pm (UTC)
::nods:: Understandable...
I guess I should have said it wasn't *my* experience. Generally, I think it's because of the nomadic lifestyles of so many of the people who live in this area. So much military, just about nobody is a true blue local and most people are navy/army/marine brats who have had more school changes through elementary school than most people have in their whole school career.
So you don't get the entrenched, year to year building up of alliances and hatreds. It's really rare for any one person to be a consistent target.
You might have one year of hell, but chances are that next year, your tormentor's dad will have gotten orders and will be gone.

Not having lived in a place that encouraged the ostracization of the different (we had more than anyone's fair share of quiet kids in the back of the classroom) basically because, well, too many new kids all the time meant *everyone* was pretty damned different, means that I didn't deal with the pervasive cliquishness and class warfare that happens in all those after school specials and movies like Lucas.
That's totally alien to me.

Sooooooo in short... I should have said MY experience.. not the AMERICAN experience.

I also assume that the guy is now out of school (or at least in University)
mjfgates
Feb. 28th, 2002 11:36 am (UTC)
No, they had enough evidence to prosecute the *one* guy who did it... just, not the others. If I cared, I suppose I could go hunt things down and find out exactly what evidence didn't get found, or DID get found and was suppressed, or whatever. Or I could just say that this is a case of one of Those Lousy Pigs taking the fall to protect his buddies. (Heh... don't usually think of cops that way... but, y'know, this particular cop certainly deserves the epithet, don't'cha think?)

But, in the end, it doesn't matter a whole lot. None of those guys is going to be involved in any incidents like this in the future, and the NYPD is going to be more careful to prevent 'em. And, really, I think I'd take it up the arse with a plunger handle for nine million dollars, so the victim ought to be fairly content.
bightchee
Feb. 28th, 2002 03:21 pm (UTC)
::::looks at all the dirt on the floor::::

Has anyone seen my broom?
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