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Apr. 5th, 2002

I want to start a campaign to get everyone to stop using page fading.
Maybe I can start a disinfo thing telling everyone that it causes cancer.
To me, page fades are like flashing text. (which for some reason I can't get to work.... which is not a bad thing)

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subbes
Apr. 5th, 2002 09:59 am (UTC)
Turn off javascript and it's solved.
maddening
Apr. 5th, 2002 10:14 am (UTC)
.. I don't want to get rid of all javascript. I just think page fades are stupid looking.
It was simple idle bitching.
subbes
Apr. 5th, 2002 10:16 am (UTC)
I don't like rain.
frobisher
Apr. 5th, 2002 10:27 am (UTC)
I like pie...
subbes
Apr. 5th, 2002 10:42 am (UTC)
I like *you*.
frobisher
Apr. 5th, 2002 10:56 am (UTC)
Aw... you're so sweet. come drool on me in irc. :-)
subbes
Apr. 5th, 2002 11:20 am (UTC)
Can't. Showering.
frobisher
Apr. 5th, 2002 12:22 pm (UTC)
If you can post to lj, you can be on irc.

You just don't *really* like me.

*pout*

Ok. I just realized I'm doing this in vert's journal, so I'll stop now so as not to clutter it further (you may all still pay attention to me, though).
bightchee
Apr. 5th, 2002 10:22 am (UTC)
I use a META tag to do my fades.
subbes
Apr. 5th, 2002 10:42 am (UTC)
Then you will be third against the wall.
bightchee
Apr. 5th, 2002 10:23 am (UTC)
I don't mind the fades.... it's just the people who set the disolve time to six minutes that piss me off.
maddening
Apr. 5th, 2002 10:49 am (UTC)
hehe.. well I figured you didn't mind the fades.
You use them....

bightchee
Apr. 5th, 2002 10:52 am (UTC)
Well *duh*.
:-)

I like them.
At least I don't have a Geocities watermark on any of my pages.
maddening
Apr. 5th, 2002 03:04 pm (UTC)
another reason I think they're a bad idea and something Chad reminded me of... They're IE specific, aren't they?

my personal point of view (certainly not the only point of view) is that you should like.. go out of your way to be as browser pleasing as possible. On the other hand, I don't jive with the "white background, black text, no images" school of standarization.

You do your transitions.
::nods::
bightchee
Apr. 5th, 2002 03:57 pm (UTC)
Yo momma.
frobisher
Apr. 5th, 2002 05:28 pm (UTC)
Any time I hear [insert browser here]-specific, I cringe. If it's so good, suggest it to the w3c for the next version of the standard, dammit. If it doesn't pass muster, it's probably just annoying.
maddening
Apr. 5th, 2002 08:17 pm (UTC)
I have to say though, that there are lots of things, not approved by the w3c that are very very nice and pleasing to the eye and functional.
I don't think that you should use their rulings as the end all be all.

Unless of course, you think of web pages as ONLY being there for information, not for design.
frobisher
Apr. 5th, 2002 10:38 pm (UTC)
ok, maybe what I really mean is that you should become part of the committee.

It's not that I think they Know All, but they're in charge of the standard. Standards are there for a reason.

Heck, you convince everyone to adopt a standard that is a superset of the w3c standard, go for it.

It's standards compliance that concerns me, not the w3c per se.
maddening
Apr. 6th, 2002 10:01 am (UTC)
See.. this is where all my ideologies crash.
Yes, I think that some webstandards are important when it comes to useability and function.
But stuff like "compliance with standards" is just a scary line to me.
frobisher
Apr. 6th, 2002 07:13 pm (UTC)
If you're looking at standards as something dictatorial, I can certainly understand that.

The kind of standards that I'm talking about, however, are agreed standards of communication.

A web browser should be a web browser. Not a something-that-I-can't-use-to-read-your-page-due-to-
[insert evil browser specific thingie here]-that-you-use.
frobisher
Apr. 5th, 2002 10:27 am (UTC)
There is a desperate need for the world at large to learn that there is a difference between design and "design" and to not do the latter.
mjfgates
Apr. 5th, 2002 11:14 am (UTC)
You mean you can FORCE that to happen? In the HTML? Here I thought my broadband connection was just slowing down.

Why on earth would anybody want to do that?
maddening
Apr. 5th, 2002 11:23 am (UTC)
Why the hell would anyone want blinky text?

Some people apparently really think it's cool.
mjfgates
Apr. 5th, 2002 11:29 am (UTC)
Some people apparently need to have their THUMBS cut off with a chainsaw...
bightchee
Apr. 5th, 2002 11:58 am (UTC)
I'm not removing the META tags.

At least I don't have a "star dissolve" or something stupid like that.
maddening
Apr. 5th, 2002 03:05 pm (UTC)
at least you use META tags.
I really can't fathom using Javascript to create page transitions.

greyyguy
Apr. 5th, 2002 01:25 pm (UTC)
Too much work. Bullets would be easier and less frustrating.
Have you looked at the pages of people that think they ar eexperts in design on the different web design groups? Lots of them with flashy things all over and tables up the wazoo and fades, and barely readable text - each one convinced they are web gods and goddesses because they can do ugly things with HTML.

They need to understand just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you SHOULD.

Jacob Neilson is rolling over in his grave and the guy isn't even dead yet.
maddening
Apr. 5th, 2002 03:05 pm (UTC)
Re: Too much work. Bullets would be easier and less frustrating.
I think tomorrow I will rant about cursor chasers.
::nods::
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