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Apr. 10th, 2002

Freedom of Speech is FREEDOM of Speech.
PERIOD.
It's not Freedom Of Speech For Those With Whom We Agree And Like.

I really despise the world church of the creator.
I have major hate issues with this group of neo-nazis parading as englightened thinkers and truth disseminators.

HOWEVER.. they have every right to gather in a public building for a meeting.
The idea .. just the *thought* that the city council would attempt to block their use of the building is so offensive.
SO offensive.

Because it means that the city council, some of our elected officials, have no basic understanding of the most important part of our constitution.

It makes me just *seethe* with anger that we feel just fine and dandy about censoring things that we find personally distasteful, completely ignoring the fact that, 50 years ago, no group of blacks would be allowed to gather and talk about equal rights laws without this EXACT sort of backlash.
This EXACT reaction.

It was wrong then, it's wrong now.
Let them gather... don't give them this power.. .don't HAND them the fear they'll only interpret as awe.

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frobisher
Apr. 9th, 2002 09:42 pm (UTC)
You need to read Nat Hentoff's Free Speech for Me But Not for Thee, if you haven't already.
ascaechoriel
Apr. 9th, 2002 10:01 pm (UTC)
I really wish I could be more like you when it comes to things like this. My first reaction is a very emotional one.. not about this issue in particular but pretty much everything. (That's how I usually end up making an ass out of myself.. hehe) I must say though I do admire the way you can think about things rationally instead of basing things on pure emotion. Something for me to strive for I guess.
maddening
Apr. 10th, 2002 09:40 am (UTC)
Heh. Yeah.. and had you seen the ranting and pacing that went on before I was calm enough to actually sit down and write something out I'm pretty sure you'd have a different impression. Heh.

I mean .. I was ranting basically what I said above.. But with a lot more "fucking morons" and "backward neo-nazi shitheads" thrown in.
ascaechoriel
Apr. 10th, 2002 11:22 am (UTC)
Re:
Thats not really what I meant. Remember a really long time ago I wrote an entry in my journal that said something about how everyone in the middle east hates us and I wanted to bomb them really badly? You replied to it that if I wanted to bomb people just because they didn't like us we'd have to bomb just about everyone and that was well.. a stupid thing to even consider. Hrmm.. I don't know how to explain this. Something like see skinhead. See skinhead hold town meeting. See Jessie go completely crazy screaming about how they shouldn't be allowed to do that because Jessie (and everyone else with an ounce of sense) doesn't like them. See Maddening smack Jessie upside the head for being a moron. Like that. hehe
maddening
Apr. 10th, 2002 11:53 am (UTC)
ahhh.. okay.
See, I'm just really pretty rabid about certain of the GOOD things about this country. The most important being free speech. I am very very anti-censorship.. that doesn't mean that I think the neo-nazi fuckheads are just all hunkey dorey. I just know that squashing their rights will only FEED their cause.
I dunno.
I don't think it's a case of emotions running rampant or anything, I think it's just a matter of exactly what it is that pushes your buttons. Emotional, empassioned speech is *good*. It's one of the few truthful things that people allow themselves. It doesn't matter if it's ultimately helpful, harmful, 'good', 'bad'... in a lot of ways, it only matters that you have an opinion because so many people just *don't*.
Being an emotional person, no matter how that presents, means that you haven't given into the apathy that living in the present day seems to shove down our throats. It's even better that you're an *open minded* person. I think that's so incredibly rare and important. I've seen that you're open to at least listen to ideas that you may not necessarily like, just because you want to know more about things. You don't necessarily have *beliefs*.. you have ideas.. Kevin Smith summed that all up nicely in Dogma.
You can change an idea... it's a hell of a lot harder to change a belief.
albertoromero
Apr. 10th, 2002 04:08 am (UTC)
but people who seek power in organisations tend to be the ones who care about "making things better", there may be an element of power but I suspect that if you had no plan on how to make the palce better you wouldn't get far.
By having a plan for making things better they surely have to have the opinion that they are at least on the right track (if not 100% right).
So naturally they will attempt to stop people who are "wrong" from getting any more power.
I suppose that means they will always attempt this kind of thing.

We had a national front type political party start up here in Australia and the media (all of them: commercial, alternative, everyone) pretty much went mental. "It's a bad image for Australia" etc etc, reminiscent of Reagan in the McCarthy period saying something along the lines of "We believe Democracy can stand up against conflicting political parties, BUT if we can prove they are the agent of a hostile government _then_ we can outlaw them".

Despite the bad press etc (which was hopelessly left wing and biased and didn't address the real issues raised by the fact the party existed.) the party got voted in for a couple of seats.
The media still went crazy and on and on about it. It only really made the party stronger, I think because it gave them a sense of cohesion.
Once the whole thing blew over the party blew up with them turning on each other in lawsuits etc.

I don't think this is anything new. If no one paid attention to the nutbags the ones that are loopy tend to turn on themselves (with a few notable historical exceptions) and the ones with valid points that the populace cares about succeed.

But then those of us that feel that way tend to also not care enough or have a strong enough conviction that we are right toa ctually bother doing anything about it, which is good because I suspect it would fail and we'd be co opted right smart anyway.
mjfgates
Apr. 10th, 2002 09:47 am (UTC)
Ahhhh, neo-nazis. You've gotta love 'em.

Well, okay, first you have to redefine "love" to mean "point, laugh, make faces and 'buh buh buh' noises, hire clowns to do their routines nearby while wearing Hitler outfits, etc." But THEN you've gotta love 'em.
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