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This music is making me insane.
How can you listen to this, Dave?

I am trying to break your heart? NO, you're trying to BREAK MY SOUL WITH YOUR STONER DRONE. AND RANDOM TINKLING PIANO DISCHORDS.

Most of this is doctor's office music.

And dude.. I'm sorry .. what's with the random samples and noises in the backgrounds?
The static on radio cure.... the bizarre "strumming the piano strings" crap on the first track...
I'm sort of baffled as to why this very acoustic band has to add electronicy gambits to their songs. Is it to give it depth?
Whoever mixed it needs to be slapped and slapped hard if that was the point. It is *totally* distracting from the monotone 'sleepy singing' of the singer.... so uhm... maybe I like it.

His lyrics are sort of interesting here and there. But the monotone of the singer is really really grating.
Fucking.. GET SOME TONE. Quit the head singing, give me some diaphram for chrissake.

I guess I just officially have NO TASTE or whatever. Poor me.

But really ... I'm sitting here listening to this right now. I can see how some people would like it.. but why do YOU like it.
I'm curious. Because you're mr. opinonated when it comes to your music. Tell me why I'm wrong (without just saying that electronic music sucks because that's SUCH a cop out and you know it).


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Jul. 16th, 2002 09:16 am (UTC)
It's called layering- and you completely don't get it. I mean I read your caustic ripping of it and realized that's not a question of taste, it's one of perception.
It happens.
I mean doctor's office music?!?
Jul. 16th, 2002 09:51 am (UTC)
I understand layering. Layering is something that should happen almost imperceptibly to give depth and texture.
Because I think it's poorly done or because I think that his 'singing' is annoying it means I don't "get it"? I know you don't dig electronic music. But I wouldn't just assume that you don't *understand* it. I'd assume you just don't enjoy it. And that's entirely okay.

Yes, dude... these songs are so mellow that they're like...aural lithium.
Which would be cool for a song or two, but all but like... two songs are like that on this album.

Track 10, Poor Places, is the best track on the album. It's actually pretty damned listenable and good and the layering of sound is done in such a way that it *enhances* the guitar and melody instead of distracting from it.

Also keep in mind I wrote that at like 3 in the morning when I was tired and decided to listen to it.

I think I also just have issue with that sort of singing. That... blank toneless thing. Luna does it too.
A lot of groups who sound like this do that. (I don't know what to call this "type" of music) If I had to pick a band who sounded like this that I actually like, it would be Built to Spill.

As for ripping things apart... I gave your music a shot. I listened to the whole album last night and actually tried to just... be nice and sit and listen. I know you think that I should listen to it several times and I'm sure that if I do, I'll probably decide it's more catchy just because *any* album you listen to over and over will get to be more acceptable.

I'm really obnoxiously passionate about music. If something doesn't move me... I probably don't want to listen to it.

I'm sorry I got so harsh with something you obviously dig so much. I didn't mean to be *that* mean about it.. but well... heh, being told I have no taste if I don't like a certain band is a lil harsh on your part too. And your insistence that anything electronic is crap is really ... self limiting.. I think.

I dunno.

Jul. 16th, 2002 11:59 am (UTC)
Poor Places is my favorite track.
Anyway, it actually does take time to get what hes doing with the distortion and such. The titel of the album is indicitive of the concept of the radio distortiona nd feedback. Jeff vocals have tone, just not one you aprently like- but he does have tone. Also the guitar tones and mixing is once again supurb. But guitar tones are an aquired taste I suppose. An the lyrics, I mean come on, thet're brilliant. He mixes bubble gum with meloncholy like no other.

As far as your assumption on my electronica tastes, sure I'ma guitar man, but I only said I did not like drum and base. I've been listening to God Lives Underwater, Chemical Brothers, Masive Atack, Tricky, Portishead, Doves, Moorcheeba, Prodigy as well as Brian Eno and Bowie people who really were pioneers in the genre. I really dug Gary Numan too. Also Ken Andrews last project "On" I really like and it was this new wave throwback stuff. So just because I ragged you for MBM some because *I* don't like them, don't assume I hate the whole genre. I was listening to it many moons ago, and sure it's not my fav- I am a guitar man, but I certainly do appreciate more than my share of it.
Like I said, I have 800 CDs, how much of it do you think is all one kind? I got range baby. My only complaint about electronica is I like analog or more organic feeling music, but it amazes me the fact that that Wilco album has so many electronic tendencies and you still went off on my lack of electronic taste. And I like lyrics, electronic music tends to lack that.

Anyway, it's not some war, different doesn't mean better. I've said it a million times- and intitially it prevented me from seeing Sonic Youth's brilliance when I was a lad, you can listen *too* hard to something. Try playing it when you are doing something else and not concentrating on it.
One last thing, do you think *I'm* not pationate about music either??? It's my life woman!
So I understand you, but like I said, I think you listened too hard.

Oh yeah, one more last thing, bite me bite me bite me, and die! Bitch.

And yes I'm kidding, you're still my friend whether or not you agree with me or like what I like.
Jul. 16th, 2002 12:18 pm (UTC)
Dave, I'm not an idiot... I get what they're trying to do, I have (believe it or not) listened to similar music before, I honestly just don't think it's well done.

He has tone. But it's the "indie tone".
The singer for Luna has an almost identical voice and range and mode of delivery. It's just... the way the "indie" guys sing, ya know? It's that *style* of vocals. Very lazy voiced. Very ... slight.

It wasn't just drum and bass. You've told me over and over that music I listen to is crap on its face because it's electronic. Sometimes you were joking, sometimes you weren't. I would be hard pressed to call Brian Eno and David Bowie pioneers of electronic music.
But well, difference of opinion and I'm not a super knowledge freak in that arena... that's Karl's job.

Dave, what have you heard from mbm besides Helter Skelter or Circles? I said "jack dangers" and you make pukey noises.. heheh...
I think the double standard here is funny. My perceptions must be off becuse I really don't like your music, but it's just matter of taste when you don't like mine.

I like emersive music. If it's not pulling me in, it's probably repelling me.

Jul. 16th, 2002 12:52 pm (UTC)
Did I mention Primal Scream or Low Fi All Stars, or Fatboy Slim or Air? That's electronic last I checked. I was busting your balls to get a rise out of you- although I don't like MBM, sorry. If you want to make me a mix, send it on down, I'll listen to it.
As far as your "indie" statement, I'm not even going to go into it with you, but I'm curious how much you've really heard to make statements like that.
And as far as Brian Eno not pioneering electronic music...whatever. Electronic was around before synthesizers were fashionable or people used turn tables. Check out Eno's catalog, it's not dance music, but it's electronic. I meantioned Bowie because he was one of the first to bring it into mainstream rock/pop. Granted it wasn't pure electronic, but prog rock and new wave were the pioneers of modern day tecno/electronica.
http://www.allmusic.com/ Look up Eno...I mean seriously Holly, I know what I'm talking about with music.
Jul. 16th, 2002 01:38 pm (UTC)
Three fucking replies to one comment, Dave?

TWICE that you had to come back and add more?

We have different tastes.


Jul. 16th, 2002 03:04 pm (UTC)
Well you started it.
Jul. 16th, 2002 03:09 pm (UTC)
I asked you to tell me what it was about this you liked.

I didn't ask you to please go out of your way to impress upon me just how knowledgeable you were about music in general or to please please tell me how much I don't know.

I appreciate it. It's brought a lot of sunshine to my day!

Jul. 16th, 2002 03:41 pm (UTC)
That's not how I saw it, I pointed stuff out to refute your statement about Brian Eno not being a pioneer of electronica and I brought him up to defend myself from you basically saying I didn't like electronica as well as the other bands which wasn't to try and school you, but to show I like the some of the genre.
And either way I said in a comment I didn't mean to come across so harsh ans apologized which you ignored and and got all ugly- I didn't see your post when I replied the first three times as I had not read any lj today. So again, I'm sorry for coming across this way, it was not my intention- you're just as head strong and stubborn as me, so it's not like this was all me.
I mean how would you feel if you made CDs for someone and they ripped it apart bit by bit...sorry if that hurt me. I wouldn't have cared otherise, I'm used to people not liking the same things I do Holly, swear.
Jul. 16th, 2002 12:56 pm (UTC)
Also, I should have been more speciffic, I don't like industrial- which is a form of electronica which to me would be more MBM. Ergo, it's not just them, I don't like Neitzer Ebb, KMFDM or much of that electronic heavy metal stuff. It's goth dance music to me.
I don't like NIN either...gasp!
Jul. 16th, 2002 01:33 pm (UTC)
Okay, those probably came across more harsh then I intended, I'm in a bad mood form thing not related to this, so I apologize.
But allow me to submit this one point.
I asked if you've ever heard Wilco- a band, not genre, and you seem to be going on about my lack of love of a whole genre and a band that I've heard. Had you said you've listened to Wilco and didn't like tham, do you think I'd send it?
No, you're way to strong-willed for that.
My point is I was there when MBM broke as many other bands. I remember a friend bein way into them in high school- I nevr took to them. But saying I don't like electronica in face of all these bands and CDs I own is quite silly. it's like saying you don't like indie rock because you don't like Luna or Wilco. Granted I am responsible because I was being an ass, but still. I've tried to express that and failed, my apologies. I'm not backtracking. Electronica is like rock, it's a huge genre divided into sub cattagories. I don't like certain kinds of electronica like intusdrial- I do how ever like trip-hop and some techno.
I don't know what else to say. I'm not even upset or mad you don't like Wilco, I swear. It's obviously perspective, all the things you named as rubbing you wrong were things I liked, just as if I went into reasons I don't like a lot of electronica, you'd react the same. That's why music is broad. Otherwise we'd all be listening to Barry Manillow.
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