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When ignorant people with a trendy prejudice are encouraged in that prejudice by their ignorant friends.

It's no different than mocking pagans or jews or buddhists or hindus.... or any other religious denomination.
It's just as lame and ignorant and intolerant and mean.

If you really don't understand the point and purpose behind the bible... ask. Don't mock it. I'm not now nor have I ever been a christian. That doesn't preclude my capacity for calm understanding. And I don't understand why it does for *so* many people.
The idea that applying modern standards to an ancient book written by ancient men about a supernatural creature of awesome power and scope is a valid application ... heh.. that's just inane.

So why do so many modern day athiests do it?

"oh look! I'm under 40! I can be jaded and cynical too!" Bleh.

I went and saw that because that chick took me off her friends list today. I hadn't noticed that she'd put me on. And now I want to kick whoever led her to me as well for (in some really round about way) making me read that.

The hell of it is, I'm not religious. I don't have faith in a "god" of any sort. I don't pray and I don't believe and I don't think anyone else necessarily should either.
But I think faith is a beautiful thing and I envy it.

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frobisher
Jul. 31st, 2002 08:53 pm (UTC)
Personally, I plan on being jaded and cynical after I'm 40 too.
i_am_your_clock
Jul. 31st, 2002 09:45 pm (UTC)
"But I think faith is a beautiful thing and I envy it."

I am oft embarrassed by our atheist representatives. I rarely mock religion unless I am provoked to do so. I, like you, find faith a tremendous thing; and am envious of the security that it can bring.

Whoa... I got all like serious for a minute...
maddening
Jul. 31st, 2002 10:24 pm (UTC)
Well, I'm not an athiest. Athiesm to me too often presents at just another faith.
My problem is lack of faith, not lack of proof, which is what most athiests clamor to demand of people who are religious or spiritual.

I'm fairly up in the air about my spiritual beliefs.
I'm a very spiritual person, just not religious. I don't have any defined ideas on god or pre-existing religions and the validity of either of those. And I think you have to have a definite idea about the lack of a god or gods to be called an athiest.

Heh.. and it's not the *security* of the faith that I envy. It's the beauty of it.

Yes, I know... I've always got to be contrary. But to me it's an important distinction.
starchy
Aug. 1st, 2002 04:33 am (UTC)
I usually prefer not to attack the faith/beliefs of others unless they impose upon my own life (the most blatant example that would also impose on yours being John Ashcroft) or in bar style debate which is undeniably just a good bout of intellectual fun for both. I admit that the temptation to get into it is there at other times, but I'm pretty good at keeping my big mouth shut.

I also consider myself an agnostic more than an atheist. The idea of an all-powerful deity doesnt' make any sense to me in the least, but I won't assume it's 100% impossible just because of that. I tend to think I'm better off not making 100% assumptions in general, anyway.

And faith is absolutely beautiful, even if you just step back and judge by its by-products. The cathedrals of Europe, the pyramids of Africa and South America, the statues of Southeast Asia... The music of North America... fuck. It blows my mind somtimes. I occasionally find myself wishing I could believe in anything in just that way, so that I could write a song like that, or what have you.
maddening
Aug. 1st, 2002 08:34 am (UTC)
I've had my moments of loud mouthed religious debate. It can be fun. It can also be cathartic, for all of us who've been told more than once, for one reason or another, that we're going to burn in hell.

The problem I have is when you blanket all of it as absurd or hurtful or 'insane'. The many denominations of Christianity make it nearly impossible to make valid blanket statements about the religion. What is true for the state of catholocism is not necessarily true for the state of southern baptists (baptism?). People confuse fundamentalism with just about anything 'christian' when that just isn't so. Most denominations don't believe in a strict interpretation of the bible. Those that do tend to be the fire and brimstone, damnation and hellfire sorts that everyone would do well to steer clear of becuase in my personal experience they tend to be honestly mentally deranged.

You've got it with the faith thing. To me that isn't just religious faith, though that is its most awe inspiring permutation. I think it's just faith in general that's lacking in so many people, myself included. I bitch about the overriding cynicism of people my age, but I've unfortunately been afflicted as well. It takes an awesome faith to avoid it (because there's just so much evidence of the *crap* around us every day) and I just don't have that faith.
Maybe when I was 14 or so. It's gone now.

saintsteven
Aug. 1st, 2002 01:27 am (UTC)
"It's no different than mocking pagans or jews or buddhists or hindus.... or any other religious denomination.
It's just as lame and ignorant and intolerant and mean."

True.. but from what I got out of reading that thread, her parents didn't send her to jewish/buddhist/hindu 'church' (yes, I'm ig'nernt), they took her to Catholic church and laid all of that religion goodness on her.
She has a valid reason to question HER religion (or what was her religion) and even beat it up a bit if she feels the need to do so.
It's not my thang, but whatever... if they don't go trolling about the religion communities then they're not really hurting anything (except for their eternal souls, of course.)
maddening
Aug. 1st, 2002 08:23 am (UTC)
to me that just doesn't matter.
She can be personally bitter about whatever she likes. Just because it's got a personal experience attached to it doesn't make it any less ignorant or hateful, especially considering how she posted it and encouraged her friends to join on in and they all did.
My disdain was more for the whole thread and the trendiness of athiesm for anyone of a certain age in america. It's one of the hallmarks of my generation, the cynicism.
Baby Boomers were idealists, so we're cynics. Just seems a lil too by-the-book for me.

I dunno... I'm not advocating a more chicken-soup-for-the-soul way of living... I just find across the board cynicism a lil hard to swallow. Reading and listening to some peple would have you believing that they hate *everything*. And ya know, I'm sure some of them do. And ya know, that's just sad.

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