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A wonderful reccomendation.

When I see a review like this, I just know that this is an album for me. ::Nods::
(one of the amazon.com reviews for Subliminal Sandwich from Meat Beat Manifesto)

"Not Recommended for the Weak of Heart, July 14, 2002
Reviewer: cale1321 (see more about me) from Tacoma, WA United States
This is by far the creepiest album I have ever listened to. I have a very diverse taste of music, and am used to and welcome surprises, so when a friend who knew I liked NIN recommended this album to me, I was all thumbs! However, to my deepest dismay, I find it hard to believe that anyone who has ever left the dark, inner dwellings of their home could enjoy this 2-disc set. Complete and utter chaos was what came to mind while listening to Subliminal Sandwich, not art by any means. I prefer to stick with the more tasteful techno tunes of Chemical Bros, Fatboy Slim, Crystal Method, Prodigy and NIN, and spare myself the bitter taste of heartburn. "

"tasteful techno" hehehe...that's an insult if I ever heard one.

I'm going through this cool bookclub thing I'm a member of... QPB, quality paper backs.
They have an insane selection of new books from a huge range of sources (not a lot of sci-fi or fantasty though... but lots and lots of nonfiction) and in this month's catalogue are some books on Wicca.
I thought Raymond Buckland was a shiester when I was involved in wicca and paganism and I think he's even more of one now. How the hell is wicca a religion based on the pure forces of the natural world *and* something that requires a silver blade and a tiny goldsickle to gather herbs at midnight in order to "properly" practice it?
It isn't.
The setting up of altars and incense and watch towers and "magick" and coven structure are all bullshit.
If earth mother is to be honored, you can do it by walking in the grass and thinking about her and recycling.
If sky father is to be honored, you can do it by enjoying the sunny day and saying a silent thank you.

This is why I always got into arguments with wiccans over how much like catholicism their 'faith' was.

I've been told by the true believers that this is only because the early church pillaged other religions for things to adopt and ease conversion. Which is true.
Except that argument doesn't apply to Wicca, considering it isn't more than 70 years old (and from the looks of it becoming increasingly more about selling books by the Bucklands, Silver RavenWolf (who I've met... he's kind of an ass), Gerald Gardener and Charles LeLand, and retreats than actual faith)
It's a piecemeal conglomeration of many different traditions, not a coherent faith and not an evolution of an older faith. It's a *creation*. Just like scientology, though with fewer beatings... unless you're in a coven that requires use of the scourge for purication reasons. Yes, they exist. Yes, that sounds a lot like deep end christian fundamentalism.

I've never met a pagan or wiccan who wasn't an RPG freak or who wasn't the product of an abusive background.. usually both.
That doesn't make it meaningless, but it does give me pause.

The prospect of a faith that encourages the idea that you can work 'magick' on the world is *of course* attractive to people who are desperately broken.
But it's too simplistic to say that that's all it is.
I think people take it too far, just as I think people take christianity and islam and judaism too far. I adore passion and passionate people but there are limits to passion after which it's obsession or disorder (and not in the happy discord/natural chaos of life way).

ramble ramble ramble.


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Aug. 6th, 2002 11:14 am (UTC)
What the fuck? I guess I need to listen to more MBM. I have one of their songs on a PS2 game I have, but other than that I am unfamiliar with them.

But damn. How can you compare MBM to Fatboy Slim or Chemical Bros. How lame. What the fuck kind of review is that shit?
Aug. 6th, 2002 11:47 am (UTC)
There's somebody out there publishing books under the name of "Silver RavenWolf"? BWAH-HA-HA-HAAA! I actually do know a "Silver", but she came by it honestly... her hair went silver-gray when she was in her twenties.
Aug. 6th, 2002 02:56 pm (UTC)
fwiw, subliminal sandwich is my favorite MBM release :) if you need it, it can be made available to you!
Aug. 6th, 2002 03:40 pm (UTC)
hehe, akadashi beat ya to it.
But I appreciate the offer muchly.

Subliminal Sandwhich and Armed Audio Warfare I think are the only two I have't yet grabbed from him. I've adored all of it and am thoroughly kicking myself for somehow just not noticing mbm all those years ago.
Aug. 6th, 2002 04:26 pm (UTC)
Subliminal Sandwhich and Armed Audio Warfare I think are the only two I have't yet grabbed from him

Aside from those, there's still Dog Star Man and maybe a few random remixes and b-sides, but I'm pretty sure that's it. I still have no idea why Dog Star Man won't rip, but I'm working on it. The only question is... what next? :)
Aug. 6th, 2002 05:41 pm (UTC)
what group next or what thing next?
Either way, that's up to you mister music maaaaaaaaaaaaaaan.
Aug. 6th, 2002 04:53 pm (UTC)
I kind of like 'discovering' a band thats been around for ages. You can dive right in, no waiting on the next release, necessarily. Its like an All You Can Eat Buffet!

Do you have an overall MBM fave release? I dont know everything they've done and all this talk is going to result in me getting something or other by them soon. ;)
Aug. 6th, 2002 05:43 pm (UTC)
I actually had the intention of figuring that out this evening so it's really *odd* that you asked that.
I just took everything together and threw it all together on one playlist and set it on random. So I need to look through the albums and tally up the number of favorites off each album to figure out a favorite.
Knowing me it'll be like... 4 songs off each. heh
Aug. 6th, 2002 05:18 pm (UTC)
the trouble with ritual
i have to agree on the wiccan thing:
if you're going to be a witch, be a creative witch.

as for mbm, i've never heard them,
but they sound like the first time i listened to sonic youth.
Aug. 6th, 2002 05:57 pm (UTC)
Re: the trouble with ritual
Heh, I just found that review when looking for a track listing. I already know I adore mbm, I just found it particualrly ... odd... given when I know of Jack Dangers' music to hear him put down in favor of Fatboy "it's all in the formula" Slim.

As far Sonic Youth, I never got into them or a lot of the grunge/indie garage stuff of the early to mid nineties. I don't know *why* .. I just didn't.

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