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I don't understand the appeal of the group Cake.
Vaguely kookie lyrics, the same monotone drawl... very low key accompanyment... It's all the same song over and over and not a particularly wonderful song at that.
I was listening to the radio last night, trying to sleep and failing and heard several things that left me wondering.

I don't get Cake and dear LORD why do people go all goofy over Ben Harper?

In the store today I was compelled to look at the music video playing tvs becuase I couldn't believe how ANNOYING the guy singing was... it was Dashboard Confessional.
People actually enjoy that grating, melodramatic, preprocessed swill, herm?

Bleh.

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luvrhino
Sep. 1st, 2002 07:42 pm (UTC)
I have no strong opinions about Cake either way
People actually enjoy that grating, melodramatic, preprocessed swill, herm?

Yes.

Of course, i don't find (most of) it grating, melodramatic, or preprocessed. Ben Harper is an immensely talented guitarist and "interesting" vocalist, with a wonderful backing band, the Innocent Criminals. He also doesn't really sound too much like anyone else, which is refreshing. Now i don't like all of Harper's songs (e.g. The Woman In You and a lot of his folk stuff), but there are some that i truly adore (e.g. Faded, Burn to Shine, and, especially, Forgiven).

There's no accounting for taste. I went ahead and listen to those Ruby songs you called excellent fucking songs. Perhaps they're excellent while in the midst of the copulatory act, but they didn't appeal to me in the slightest. However, i can comprehend why you might like it.

To each their own.
maddening
Sep. 2nd, 2002 10:04 am (UTC)
Re: I have no strong opinions about Cake either way
I can comprehend why someone might like it.
Saying I "don't understand it" is a bit of commonly used hyperbole used when seeking an opinion or explanation.

I've heard 2 songs of his, both when trying to get to sleep (hence wide awake) and I don't know the titles of them. But I do know that I rolled my eyes a lot. Of course, that was listening to them sandwhiched in between Cake (they play A LOT of Cake) and "featured chick singer of the week who sounds just like the one from last week."

I actually should have put a disclaimer on my comments about Ruby. Unless you have an appreciation of industrial-ish music, you won't like her. I just usually don't like making assumptions like that because I like a huge range of musical styles and hell, even though people tend not to, maybe someone else out there reading might too.
(And depending on what you listened to, Ken, I may or may not agree with you that it's good for listening to during the copulatory act. Just because some of it sounds slow and throaty and sexy, doesn't mean it forgives the lyrics, which are usually decidedly unsexy.)
luvrhino
Sep. 2nd, 2002 10:32 am (UTC)
You should read today's 'Goats'
I've heard 2 songs of his, both when trying to get to sleep (hence wide awake) and I don't know the titles of them.

Okay, i wouldn't have recommended Ben Harper for you, anyway. Though i think you might possibly like him when he "rocks out" on, like on Faded or Burn to Shine. Though if you don't like his voice, then perhaps not.

I actually should have put a disclaimer on my comments about Ruby. Unless you have an appreciation of industrial-ish music, you won't like her.

I figured as much, since it was coming from you and that's what you've been listening to recently. I decided to take a listen anyway. No disclaimer was necessary.

And depending on what you listened to, Ken, I may or may not agree with you that it's good for listening to during the copulatory act.

I like fucking to Hanson. Mmmbop, ba duba dop.
maddening
Sep. 2nd, 2002 11:01 am (UTC)
Re: You should read today's 'Goats'
Ben Harper's voice didn't get to me. I just didn't see what was so OOH AHH spectacular about him that has his fans all gooshy over him. ::shrug:: I haven't listened to a lot of it, and next time I'll actually try to catch the titles.

I like some folk music, I like some mountain music, country... just all sorts of things.
But it's usually the more extraordinary, WOW of things that gets me. 'Cept when it's Doughty... I just dig him.
maddening
Sep. 2nd, 2002 10:57 am (UTC)
Re: I have no strong opinions about Cake either way
And by the way, Ken... I was referring to Dashboard Confessional with the "grating, melodramatic, preprocessed swill" comment, not Ben Harper. Unless you're saying that you like Dashboard Confessional as well.

Then I'd have to say that you're just a crazy person.
dlbags
Sep. 2nd, 2002 05:53 am (UTC)
Cake I've never liked, but their bass player is phenominal, he caries the group in my opinion.

And Ben Harper? It's because, as I've met and hung out with him twice, that he's a rare person in the industry, very genuine and his music conveys that. He's also an amazing slide guitar player , and I think his voice is quite good. But it's all taste, but as far to answer your question, his fans are like that because he's very carying and giving, and that appeals to a lot of people. He has that Tori Amos effect on fans I guess, but without the trying to save them stuff.
But yeah, Ben's a good guy in an industry that's full of assholes. Folk singers always have rabid followings though...it's intimate by nature, even though Ben's strayed from being solely a folk singer.

But I did see Cake live twice, not a fan, but I did enjoy watching that guy play, he's good.
maddening
Sep. 2nd, 2002 09:16 am (UTC)
Bruce Hornsby and Los Lobos are both disgustingly nice.
Incredibly horribly nice. Los Lobos went out of their way to make me, a lowly PA, sit with them and have lunch. I've met many very very nice people in the music industry (about as many total fuckheads that I've met).

I don't know anything about mister Harper there. I just heard some of his songs the other day for the first time and well... I was really disappointed. The way his fans gush, I was expecting something a little more phenomenal than that.
I got what it was that made Ani DiFranco fans flip out (and I think she's a better analogy if we're talking about about folk singers), the guitar, the intensity, the willingness to say what most females wouldn't...
I dunno. White boy soul never appealed to me much.
dlbags
Sep. 2nd, 2002 09:25 am (UTC)
I dunno, Ben's albums are all so different, which one did you listen to? I think "Fight For Your Mind" is my favorite...he mixes way too many sounds to just label him folk, I think he's more folk in his presentation, attitude etc. But Ben's very organic...I dunno, I don't think he's palatable in a broad sense, which is why he's not multiplatinum- well he is world wide, but you get my point.

As far as Los Lobos, I love their music, "Kiko and the Lavender Moon" is a great album, I have that and their anthology, I saw them open for U2 way back in 87 and loved them. I don't buy every disk but if they come to Florida I try and see them, they're fantastic musicians, esp Ceasar Rojas. A fun time is had by all at their shows.

maddening
Sep. 2nd, 2002 09:44 am (UTC)
I didn't listen to any of his albums. I heard whatever the softer rock station here plays of his on the radio (no, I don't know the songs).

There was someone else I was going to question heavily, but it got lost in the waves of Cake and Josh Joplin Group repetition.

Basically this station will play it if it's acoustic, sung by a chick, considered uncool by teenagers (that's how collective soul landed in the play list)... it's not super soft office music, but it's close.

HAH... and you used the word "organic". hehehehe.
dlbags
Sep. 2nd, 2002 09:56 am (UTC)
and you said "Collective Sou"!

That's way worse...
maddening
Sep. 2nd, 2002 10:21 am (UTC)
no, I said "collective soul."

Hehehe.. naming a group isn't nearly as bad as actually using the word "organic" in a non-mocking-the-music-reviewer-way.
heheh
kaeren
Sep. 3rd, 2002 03:40 pm (UTC)
i am a ben harper gusher, and here is why
1. i didnt really ever feel much about ben harper til i saw him live. and he was performing in a huge stadium. his ability to compel most of the audience and keep us rapt for two hours was a feat in itself (when the duder is 1/4 inch tall from our viewpoints).

2. as people have said, he has mad guitar skills, and vocal skills. his lyrics, i could give or take. his backing band is incredible all on their own.

3. now, i dont expect you to know this from hearing 2 songs on the radio, but the man does some *killer* gospel type stuff. i'm not big on church either, but have always found gospel stuff, if its done right, to be quite inspirational and 1000x more soulful than nearly anything else out there. especially in popular music.

(i dont get cake or dashboard confessionals either)
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