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Things to thank Karl's Server for:
(these are things I'd either heard nothing of, or had weird opinions of. These are all things I now love some or all of.)

808 State
A Guy Called Gerald
Afro-Cuban Allstars
Air Liquide
Amorphous Androgynous
Asian Dub Foundation
Bigod 20
Cibo Matto
Damage Manual
De La Guarda
Deep Dish
Deltron 3030
Depth Charge
DJ Cheb I Sabbah
DJ Rap
Doughty (the solo album)
Emergency Broadcast Network
Golden Palominos
Gus Gus
Jack Dangers
Jah Wobble
Jonny L
Juno Reactor
Justin Warfield
Meat Beat Manifesto
Monkey Mafia
Natacha Atlas
Pop Will Eat Itself
Renegade Soundwave
Roots Manuva
Severed Heads
Sheep On Drugs
Simply Jeff
Soul Coughing (all the live stuff)
Talvin Singh
The Future Sound of London
The Orb
Tom Tom Club
Vanessa Daou

And I suggest you all stop listening to that lame, top 40, trendy, over processed bullshit you call music and use this as a list of where to *start* in seeking out something new.
Well, most of you. Some of you have excellent, wonderful, varied, open minded tastes in music.

I'll stop being preachy now.


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Feb. 3rd, 2003 06:19 pm (UTC)
I second that advice. Lots of great bands in that list...
Feb. 4th, 2003 02:19 am (UTC)
But uhm... aren't you the person who had a post the other day describing (the most often reccomended) Wilco album as 'a gem'? That's one I have to highly disagree with. I've made some Wilco rants before.
You also list Flaming Lips which... I dunno... is less aggressively bad, but pretty much follows those same... 'we're indie, so we sound this way' lines.

herm... shouldn't try to be coherent this early.

Basically, some of the things you've had to say about music leave me dubious about why or how it is that you're into what you say you're into.
And yes, I know... I don't know you, who you are, what you're about.. yadda yadda.
Music, movies, books... it's one of the very few common reference points that most of us have. So I don't really *need* to know you to be able to extrapolate some things.
Feb. 4th, 2003 07:47 am (UTC)
I'm with you on the Wilco thing (retch) but I gotta say the Flaming Lips are an exception in my book. If you listen to them enough (or have listened for long enough) you see that they're genuine. They're just making the noises from their heads. Forget that "jelly" song... there's so much more, and like 'em or not, at least they're honest. I'll have to rip some of their older stuff (I haven't listened to "Take Me to Mars" in a long time) and put it up on the server soon. Along with every other goddamn album I keep remembering. :)

Also, this thing what you said and stuff:

Music, movies, books... it's one of the very few common reference points that most of us have. So I don't really *need* to know you to be able to extrapolate some things.

...well, that's a point I've been trying to explain to certain friends of mine who balk at me for "being too picky" (with potential dates) or "judging people" in general. Now if I actually meet someone and interact with them, I do everything I can to give them a clean slate and let them show me who they are through the things they do and say. But if I see someone wearing a Limp Bizkit shirt, well... I really think that tells me something about them. I believe that what you choose to take in, that what appeals to you says something about you. If someone listens to music that is unoriginal, mass-marketed, and panders to the lowest common denominator, then they must relate to that somehow or even enjoy it, and I think it's a reflection of (at least part of) their personality. So uhm. Yeah. What you said. And people. And stuff.
Feb. 4th, 2003 11:11 am (UTC)
Dont get it twisted, I dont have any band teeshirts and wouldn't dream of such a thing. But on the other hand, I truly appreciate vapid pop for what it is. Mmm vapidy goodness! Mmmmm, I can sing along and not have to think, or be preached at. Its a small hook into pop culture. I guess what I'm sayin is: Everything In Its Place. I don't spend money on things like that, in fact I'll support public radio and independent labels with my last 2 cents, but I can enjoy it all still. Yanno?
Feb. 4th, 2003 12:06 pm (UTC)
You're drunk!

See, there's a difference here - humming along to something mindless when you're in that kinda mood is one thing. Actively appreciating, suporting, emulating, and identifying artists who are all those things I said previously is quite something else. And plus, you like pie.
Feb. 4th, 2003 12:53 pm (UTC)
Hahahaha! Drunk on life baby.

I dig your ditch. I don't indentify with any artist except maybe Wesley Willis. :)

Feb. 4th, 2003 01:56 pm (UTC)
What I know of the Flaming Lips: The jelly song and "Clouds Taste Metallic" which I own and found again last night and meant to listen to but didn't.
Oh, and all their fans.

I think it's the fans that ruin it for me, mostly. I know... I know... that shouldn't be a factor. But it just... is.
For example... hardcore.
I can say that I dig V.O.D. and Candiria and Meshuggah and Coalesce... but then I look at the vast majority of people who dig those bands and I have to wonder if I'm just mildly retarded and didn't notice.
Feb. 4th, 2003 11:07 am (UTC)
Wilco's Yankee Hotel Foxtrot, you mean? Yeah, I liked it enough to buy the CD. As far as the Flaming Lips are concerned, they have graduated from the territory of a college noise band into one of the more innovative acts around. Indie or not, I don't sense any pretention here... just music.

The part that is the most interesting in your reply is the "some of the things you've had to say about music" part. I suspect I've been surreptitiously pidgeonholed. Why do I like what I like? How is it that I'm into it? Both good questions. If my recent reference to indulging in KVIL-era songs threw you, such is the nature of the kind of diversity I treasure. Music stands upon its own. If it's unpretentious, original, and appeals to me, it's in my collection... whether it be 250 minutes or 250 years old.

More specifically, having a lifelong DJ as a father, personally witnessing Ellum and lower Greenville change during KNON's glory days, spending obsessive hours with Reverend Fever pouring over imported vinyl, and now having the internet as an additional tool at my disposal... well, how could I *not* be into it? :)
Feb. 4th, 2003 02:52 pm (UTC)
I didn't "surreptitiously pidgeonhole" you. I did it right out in the open.
And you went the wrong direction, really.
It had nothing to do with the 70s music. The idea that I'm somehow anti-old music is so very very off.
But you don't know me. So you don't know that.

It's really just a whole picture. The mentioning of the 70s music, the bands whos cds you were out to buy (Wilco, Flaming Lips, Beth Orton) and you knowing Harold Budd and Orb...
Without knowing how or why or really knowing you at all, the general vibe I get is one of forced ecclecticism.

That's why I made the comment that you knowing ambient-ish sort of electronic stuff in addition to the other things you'd rattled off was odd. For all I know, I could be horribly wrong. ::shrug::

Heh.. and in this reply you reference two areas of texas and two texas radio stations.
I've BEEN to Dallas. I'm not from there and I've never lived there. A less search engine savvy sort of person would have had no clue what you were talking about.
Feb. 4th, 2003 05:01 pm (UTC)
Could you elaborate upon what you mean by "forced ecclecticism"? I don't understand what that is.

Or, skip it. I'm not sure what we're talking about anymore.
Feb. 4th, 2003 05:25 pm (UTC)
Re: ?
Forced ecclecticism is when you TRY to be ecclectic.
It's diversity in taste on purpose.
Or, rather, "diversity" in "taste" on purpose.

It's not seeking out different things because you want to seek out different things. It's seeking out different things because you want to be someone (or be seen as someone) who seeks out different things.

It's all about motive. And therefore it's a rather sketchy, vague thing.
Feb. 5th, 2003 01:01 am (UTC)
Re: ?
I think I understand what you're getting at. You're referring to the practice of publicizing one's music selections as a method of ego gratification. In other words, "I'm cool because I listen to this stuff."

Gotcha. That kind of thing dies out around the sophomore year of college for most people. If I choose to freely admit that Electric Light Orchestra occupies the shelf between Meat Beat Manifesto and The Time... well... it's painfully clear I'm beyond that.

Ooookay. On to more interesting subjects... like the NEW Future Sound of London CD. Heard it?
Feb. 5th, 2003 02:26 am (UTC)
Re: ?
Not all people go to college.
And uhm... ya missed the point on that, in that 'admitting' that you've got ELO sandwiched in between Meat Beat and The Time is exactly what I'm talking about.
Forced *Ecclecticism*.

But sure, let's let this drop. Going nowhere and not really entertaining.

No, I've not heard the new FSOL. It's been only in the last year that I've been introduced to much of this stuff so I'm not running out and getting the new things, usually.

Feb. 5th, 2003 03:19 am (UTC)
The Rhetorical Zone
Hang on a second. Let's work through that accusation:

My admission of what's on my shelf is a literal description of what is actually - on - the - shelf - over - there. Nothing more. Stating "I can freely admit" means I am not concerned with external opinions regarding my music selections. Thus, I do not fulfill your definition of "forced ecclecticism" as my description does not represent an attempt to convey artificial diversity for the purpose of ego gratification. I am demonstrating my *actual*, *genuine* eclectic tastes based solely upon my love of music.

If anything, your definition of "forced ecclectisicm" applies to your own original post. Seeing as how your "list of good taste" is followed by an imperative "start here", the potentially insulted reader is goose-stepped on a one way trip towards *your* favorite music. Forced sentiments are usually expressed via a series of imperatives. This is no different.

Oh well, if I frame this through a humorous lens, I suppose I am following forced ecclectisicm... seeing as how I am *forcing myself* to choose music that I like from a variety of sources. Eclectic is defined as a voluntary process of selection, after all.


Incidentally, I recommend listen.com's streaming internet music service as well as XM Satellite Radio for your car. If you've just gotten wind of most of the bands you mentioned, these two services will overload your senses with new music. Best of all, they're very affordable.
Feb. 5th, 2003 12:54 pm (UTC)
Rather not fond.
I just wrote this incredibly long reply, and then LJ ate it.
I got very tiny-word descriptive for you, so that maybe you could stop misunderstanding the basics of my meaning.
Then, I guffawed a lot at your melodrama. Maybe even a few giggles in there at the way you tried to throw this back on me.
Then I explained, again in tiny. little. words., how ludicrous it is that you even embarked on this argument. Because, I explained, it seems to me that you would just shrug your shoulders at this text-based stranger and their off-base opinions and go back to loving your music.

Further down, I pointed out that I've been going on and on about XM radio for at least a month, both through stomping for The TechRadioShow, and because I've heard it and it's great. But thank you ever so much for shedding light on that as well.

Then I pointed and laughed some more that you keep coming back and arguing this.

But then LJ ate it. ::shrug:: c'est la vie
Feb. 5th, 2003 05:13 pm (UTC)
Monosyllabic fondling
But you keep coming back too... and if I.... then you... and that would mean... so you're really saying... but... what about... and then...

(record needle going zzzzzzZZZZZZZZIP)

I think I'll call this writing exercise over and done with. Hope everyone had fun. :)
Feb. 3rd, 2003 11:36 pm (UTC)
You still need to eat more:

Gogol Bordello
Mark Lanegan
Sixteen Horsepower
Cop Shoot Cop
Pain Killer
Torture Garden
The Billy Nayer Show
Hansel und Gretel

Builds strong bones!
Feb. 4th, 2003 02:08 am (UTC)
OoOooh yeah.
You know I dig the reccomendations.
(Especially when they come from people who have actual uhm... taste... in music)
Feb. 4th, 2003 11:11 am (UTC)
Wow, I've heard of, like, four of those bands!

I'm so whitebread.
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