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AAARGH! DON'T SAY "BLING". Just don't fucking say it, stop doing it. It isn't cute, no one who might actually use that as a real and non-facetious slang word actually still uses it as such. It's DEAD. It's so dead that it's INSULTING to hear it coming from so many milquetoast white people. It stopped being funny. It will never be funny again. You are not going to revivie it.

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skreidle
Dec. 12th, 2004 10:03 pm (UTC)
Never claimed to be, but not so far from it as to be totally unaware of many common turns of phrase..
maddening
Dec. 13th, 2004 04:23 am (UTC)
Hearing something "for a couple years" would seem to imply that it has had some sort of lifespan.

I'm sure you realize this, but, about the time mainstream pop stars start using a word, it's typically already dead to the originators. About the time dumb white kids start saying a word they heard from a mainstream pop star, it's dead to everyone except the white kids.

skreidle
Dec. 13th, 2004 10:26 pm (UTC)
So what are its origins?
maddening
Dec. 14th, 2004 05:38 am (UTC)
Bling.

If you're honestly asking, then dude... use a search engine.
If you're just being a pedantic little shit, then just stop becuase it's not going to get you anywhere on this particular topic.

Also, note that "wide acceptance" doesn't mean "origination". Typically slang in general filters into the wider vernacular over a period of years, depending on where it originates. If it *starts* in a rap song, then it might happen quickly. But this one didn't START in a rap song, it was picked up and made popular by a rap song.
Asking where slang originated is a lot like asking where wind starts.
skreidle
Dec. 14th, 2004 06:15 am (UTC)
Well.. seems to me that it originated in rap/hip-hop and has, for the most part, stayed alive there--far more than any incidental usage by milquetoast white people. (Perhaps my day-to-day encounters and TV selections that include the average whitey have just avoided such usage. :)

(My previous searches took me to urbandictionary.com, a decent slang reference, if not as authoritative as Wiki tends to be.)
maddening
Dec. 15th, 2004 04:25 am (UTC)
You hang out with a bunch of goths (I'm guessing from the frequent Alchemy trips), people not likely to perpetrate a rap guise.
skreidle
Dec. 15th, 2004 04:37 am (UTC)
True, but I don't see how that negates my point, particularly since a) about 5% of my time weekly is spent at clubs, and b) the industrial crowd features a lot of non-goths anyhow, just people who enjjoy different music in a different scene.

(Musical aside: I primarily listen to rock/alternative outside of the clubs, and as a rule, I don't like rap/hip-hop--I generally prefer actual melodic content from both vocals -and- instrumentals, while most current rap/hip-hop fails on one if not both points. And I place "good music" much higher than "lyrics that tell a good story", since I tend to not really hear lyircs unless I focus on the song.)
maddening
Dec. 15th, 2004 05:09 am (UTC)
Okay, let me put it this way then... I know a lot of people, past and present, who have been total white boys/girls who try very hard to put on a pseudo rap background persona. Pretending you're some sort of hardcore, street born, gangsta side kick is and has been all the fucking rage since the late 80s, depending on where you're from.
I'm originally from southern VA. I've actually seen Missy Elliot in a Farm Fresh in Virginia Beach. I've had a nice long chat with Teddy Reilly in an IHop when he was in Wrecks N Effects. My formative years were spent around a LOT of early rap culture and those who wanted to be in and around it but were just poseurs. I've noticed that this isn't appreciably different in northern VA, especially in those areas where people have so little actual CAUSE to act like some hardworn gangsta that it's fucking laughable in the extreme (drive around Chantilly, Centreville, Reston...)

In my own personal world people say things like this A LOT with absolutely no natural growth to it, but instead because they heard it on MTV.

About Industrial music played in clubs : I haven't heard anything I'd call actual industrial coming out of the scene in a long time. Also, hip hop is dead. Anything you're hearing on the radio or in clubs these days has so little to do with hip hop that it pains me to still see it called that. It's even more laughable than the term "alternative" applied to shit like Linkin Park. Popular music is, on the whole, so homogenized and over processed these days that none of the terms used to describe it actually mean anything anymore.
skreidle
Dec. 15th, 2004 06:52 pm (UTC)
I don't think I'm sorry that I missed out on that whole slice of life, in my middle-class northern Virginia suburb.. and paid little attention to music until about 1990, and have largely intentionally avoided the rap culture then and since, both legit and poseur.


On music genres: I suppose it depends how one interprets genres. From one standpoint, you could mandate that a genre is only what it originally was, with no flexibility; on the other, you could allow it to morph from its origins to its modern incarnation and retain the name. However, any given artist or piece has so many influences, and is generally manifested in what amounts to a mix of styles/genres, that even many of the benchmark pieces or artists could probably be placed across several genres.

(I'd call LP "rock", incidentally. I tend to think of alternative as having less of an edge.)
maddening
Dec. 16th, 2004 04:53 am (UTC)
I'm not saying there is no room for growth. I'm saying that top 40 is so melded together that genres are meaningless.
"Indie" used to actually mean "independent"... whether that meant independent labels or just not the norm. Now it means "anyone who tries to sound even a little like Sonic Youth"

I'd call LP "utter shit, genre-less, pop pap" but then I'm a fan of hardcore and of rapcore, both of which they murder the fuck out of. It's difficult seeing interesting *original* music you love watered down and churned out by AR-Friendly bands of the week.

Becuase you didn't really pay attention to music until just little over 10 years ago, I don't think you'd really get the sort of hardwon devotion I'm talking about in reference to beloved genres. Music is very personally important to me on a daily basis and always has been as far back as I can remember.

Rap can be good. Hip Hop artists still exist, they just don't tend to get any airplay these days. The only radio worth listening to is XM
skreidle
Dec. 20th, 2004 05:26 pm (UTC)
No, I suppose not.. I enjoy a great deal of music and listen to it all the time, but I've never been much of a devotee of particular genres, or even many bands/artists. (Further, I tend to like bands and have no idea who's in them at any point in their variable histories.)


I've been leaning toward XM, but I figure I'll wait until I get a newer vehicle with much better sound damping.

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