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Aug. 21st, 2007

I'm shocked at how smart Pandora is. I started with Depeche Mode and it went to Erasure, then The Cure (before Robert Smith exploded into vile), then Peter Gabriel, a newer Depeche Mode song, a New Order single, then Tained Love by Soft Cell - all from a similar time period and electronic/new wave sound. Other players and music services think that shit like The Bravery (which is trying really hard to sound like a new wave band) is actually the same thing or in the same genre or has anything actually in common with the new wave acts it's attempting to sound like.

If you're a fan of a genre you can always tell the real thing from the derivative, boiled down broad strokes the fakey bands try. I can't listen to most of the "swing boom" shit from a few years back. But there is a huge difference between The Brian Setzer Orchestra and Cherry Poppin Daddies. Brian Setzer has been making swing music since he started. Those other guys were literally a "punk" band (read: trying to be Green Day) about 6 months before their swing album came out. And before they were "punk" they were something else.

Most sites go off of user applied tags, though. And with the lack of general music knowledge out there I'm not surprised how off they usually are.

Recently on the photo forum thing I'm a member of someone attributed "99 problems" to Jay-Z and then when I pointed out it was Ice-T first they called me a cracker for obviously having no clue what I was talking about. Which - coming from a couple white guys doesn't mean anything to me, but it's still funny. And this was coming from people who in general usually at least have a clue what they're talking about - not random 15 year olds. So if they can't apply a general music knowledge that crosses a few genres you just can't expect top 40 kids to do it.

That's why I can't give zornog too much shit about the Decemberists. He's too good at actually making up his own mind about what he listens to. So he likes them because he HONESTLY likes them, not because the "indie" thing continues to be trendy. So that's totally cool, but horribly rare.

Anyway - different topic altogether - for his birthday, all the people we went to dinner with pooled together and got Karl a Wii. So we continue the long line of "every game system". The other day we opened up this chest in the living room looking for our camcorder (that we never found) and I got a look at all the game systems Karl's had over the years. There were things in there I'd never seen before. I only ever owned an Atari 26000 and literally no other gaming thingy until the XBox Karl bought me for winter holidays or my birthday or something. Can't remember which. He has a Sega CD, Sega Saturn, Nintendo 64, and like 5 others I can't remember. AND all the games and controllers to go with them. We could literally just hook up and play some Sega Saturn games right now.

The Wii is fun. So far I've only played a couple games (Mario Party eleventybillion, Smooth Moves, Cooking Mama, and Wii Sports) but it's just stupidly cool. I wish they'd quit with the "everything has to look like Mac OSX" interface - but it's still really cool despite that.


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Aug. 21st, 2007 06:01 pm (UTC)
I'm a total music snob so I'm fine with people being elitist and indie if it's honest.

Aug. 21st, 2007 06:11 pm (UTC)
I knew the decemberists before the guy could sing.

Oh wait that's now...
Aug. 21st, 2007 07:52 pm (UTC)
Apparently, i'm more attractive with a bald head and clip-on, crimson beard
As i mentioned earlier, Pandora was the only one of those things that I had ever used. At some point, i was going to try the others, but am i to take it that you think i'd be better off staying with Pandora?

Or at least until it runs out of ideas within its music collection?
Aug. 21st, 2007 09:00 pm (UTC)
Re: Apparently, i'm more attractive with a bald head and clip-on, crimson beard
After having used this and Last.fm I think Pandora is much better at delivering what I'm actually interested in hearing. Now, out of the few hours I listened it only came up with 2 or 3 bands I'd never heard of or songs I hadn't heard so if I were looking specifically for new music, I would be disappointed by that.

Since they're all free, I'd say give some others a shot. They might suit your listening habits better. I find the rating system on Pandora makes more sense. Last.fm seems to have assembled playlists based on user submitted tags and doesn't really "understand" musical connections. For instance, it only had 5 tracks that it felt were "related to" Soul Coughing. When it exhausted them I was prompted to pick another artist. So I picked one of the artists it played in connection with Soul Coughing and ended up with a huge playlist. If it could connect band A to band B why couldn't it connect to band C without having to put in band B as the start point?

If I were strictly looking for new music though, it might be good. Because there were a lot of songs and artists that came up that I wouldn't have listened to on my own.
Aug. 21st, 2007 09:01 pm (UTC)
Re: Apparently, i'm more attractive with a bald head and clip-on, crimson beard
Oh... and where are the pictures, baldie?
Aug. 22nd, 2007 03:51 am (UTC)
Yes, that is a Diablo tattoo
I'm at the 49 second mark here:


Not a very good picture. They chopped off my left hand, which was also emphasizing my crotchal area.
Aug. 22nd, 2007 04:17 pm (UTC)
Re: Yes, that is a Diablo tattoo
I can't believe you actually have a Diablo tattoo. And you aren't even that into the comic anymore. That's pretty hardcore, Ken.

And that picture is hilarious to me for some reason. I can't help but think about the quiet, reserved, almost withdrawing Ken I met 7? years ago.

Aug. 23rd, 2007 01:40 am (UTC)
Jon sends Diablo tattoos with every purchase...don't have much need for them otherwise...
I'm not really that quiet and reserved. I'm basically how i am on the internet. I may have been somewhat skittish when you were Houston because: 1) you have always frightened me; 2) Mr. Crews was with you and i was afraid what would happen if i made any sudden movements around him.

I am somewhat concerned because i have a date tomorrow night with someone i met at that party. I wonder what she'll think when she sees that i don't actually have a two-toned, eight-inch beard? Nor will i have anything pointed at my penis.

Speaking of meeting me, i intend on visiting Washington, DC soon...most likely September or October. Of course, i'd want to see you and The Karl while i'm there. Is there any time that'd be particularly good or bad for you people?
Aug. 23rd, 2007 03:33 am (UTC)
Re: Jon sends Diablo tattoos with every purchase...don't have much need for them otherwise...
I'm replying to this half drunk from bed, from my phone, while Karl plays a game called (and I'm not making this up) Space Giraffe.it uses KLF samples and random animal sounds for sound effects. Every time I look up u'm forced to ask him how the hell he can be playing this. Anyway, I think the only bad time would be at the beginning of October as Karl will be out of town at a conference. He says he isn't sure of the dates right now, but he's pretty sure they're single digits. I'll actually get you some stronger info once I know for sure. Karl isn't exactly a fan of Mr. Crews either, so I understand where you're coming from. I didn't really remember you as shy or anything, but sort of quiet as compared to your gregarious online persona. Hehe. Who is your date? Are there pictures? Let me unfairly prejudge her!
Aug. 23rd, 2007 04:18 am (UTC)
LJ thinks "blonde" is a misspelling
I didn't dislike Chuck...i was just afraid that a sudden movement might trigger some sort of psychic event.

She wasn't in that YouTube thing, so i have no pictures. I had a lovely conversation with her at the party for about 20 minutes. At least it was lovely on my end...it was a bit hard to hear. She actually asked for my contact info first, which was odd for me. That almost never happens with someone that i'm actually interested in.

The only red flag was that she said that i was the sweetest man she had ever met only fifteen minutes after meeting me. This was based on the fact that i volunteered at Planned Parenthood and sympathized with her being a single mom of two kids while being a newly self-employed lawyer that does a significant amount of pro-bono work arranging judicial bypass for teenagers seeking abortions. While i'm not denying my diabetes-inducing sweetness, it struck me as a bit extreme at the time.

As far as pre-judging her based on looks, she's rather conventionally attractive...resembling a blonde Claire Danes with smaller eyes. She attempted to go as Courtney Love, but she was way too sheveled to pull it off.

Because i'm uncommonly romantic, we're going to see a Texas Freedom Network screening of Alexandra Pelosi's documentary on evangelical America. Ted Haggard turns me on. ::nods::
Aug. 23rd, 2007 04:56 am (UTC)
Re: LJ thinks "blonde" is a misspelling
You = awesome.

Some days I'm remember why I'm glad I know you. Others I'm just sort of vaguely sure there's a reason :)

The "sweetest man" thing is definitely a red flag leading toward the friend zone - or just something single moms in Texas say. Who knows...

I'm NOT shocked that you're into conventionally attractive women. Somehow picturing you with someone heavily pierced or otherwise non-conventional is difficult. Not that that's a bad thing... just sayin...

Aug. 24th, 2007 02:47 am (UTC)
Re: LJ thinks "blonde" is a misspelling
Well, i'll date people who i find attractive that others may not. That doesn't necessarily mean that she's pierced, tattooed, or otherwise mutilated...it might just mean that she's interesting looking. My date was with someone who would be considered quite pretty by most people.

The date went well, except that we didn't have time for dinner afterwards so we didn't get to talk enough. Mostly, just my snarky comments during the film. We'll definitely have a second date. She was adorable, because she seemed nervous that there was a possibility i might not want to go out with her again. But, given that she thinks i'm funny, extraordinarily kind, seems intelligent, and seems to think i'm super swell...why yes, i would like to see her again.
Aug. 24th, 2007 01:59 pm (UTC)
Re: LJ thinks "blonde" is a misspelling
You made snarky comments during "Friends of God"? That's so weird for you.

Well I am glad the date went well and that she seems into you. That's awesome.

I didn't mean that you only dated cookie cutter types. Both me and Karl have a natural attraction for faces/types that aren't "standard beauty". Like... he thinks Patricia Arquette lost all her charm after she fixed her teeth. And I've always been interested in unique looking people over someone who's more conventionally "handsome". So I completely understand.
Aug. 23rd, 2007 03:00 pm (UTC)
Re: Yes, that is a Diablo tattoo
wow, you look kind of disturbingly like him. or maybe just a lot closer than i realized was possible.
Aug. 23rd, 2007 03:06 pm (UTC)
i'm kinda digging on pandora right now, although i'm really curious about where they license from, since i could find some pretty small acts on there, but not others. last.fm definetly has more wierd little local (well, local to me, anyways) stuff.

but...i really love the pandora interface. oh god, the next thing you know, i'll be buying a mac...
Aug. 23rd, 2007 03:30 pm (UTC)
The interface is okay. It's clearer on Pandora what's going on than in last.fm but Pandora is doing that annoying grey on slightly lighter gray "what the fuck is or is not clickable?" shit that's quickly becoming standard. The labels and functions are good - I just wish they'd change the coloration.

You're totally right in that last.fm just throws in more of a range of music. I found it frustrating relying on user-generated tags for what I was looking for, but I'm pretty specific with what I do and don't like.
Aug. 24th, 2007 04:15 pm (UTC)
ok, i might have to fire last.fm for 'bands like jack-off jill' it gave me...creed. CREED. and then a host of big rock groups, which...i already know about thanks, i'd really like stuff actually in the same damn genre, jesus.
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